Differences Between Conservatives and Liberals

[sanctus]

Originally Posted by questor

Moon, before you run away, take a look at these stats:

American Battle Deaths Recent Wars:

Second World War....291,557- Pres. at beginning, F.D. Roosevelt, Democrat

Korean War......33,741- Pres. at beginning , Truman, Democrat

Vietnam War.....47,424- Pres. at beginning, Johnson, Democrat

Current War.... 4,093- Pres. at beginning, Bush, Republican

The way I read this, an American is much less likely to lose his life under a Republican president.

You know, you forgot something in the statistics about the last war, which is quite fundamental and puts all this numbers in another light. Did it ever appear to you that going to Afghanistan and Irak (and someone in this thread even said that the former was legitimate! I would love to discuss this, open a thread and we can talk about a legitimacy of a war...) is the cause that islamic terrorist attacks became worlwide more numerous (think of Spain, UK, ...).
You know usual thing (and you can't deny it) violence usually creates other violence. Imagine just what would have happened without the invasion of Afghanistan, would the terrorist still find as many people wishing to join them?

[InfiniteNow]

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This graphic seems to speak to the thread title:

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by sanctus

You know, you forgot something in the statistics about the last war, which is quite fundamental and puts all this numbers in another light. Did it ever appear to you that going to Afghanistan and Irak (and someone in this thread even said that the former was legitimate! I would love to discuss this, open a thread and we can talk about a legitimacy of a war...) is the cause that islamic terrorist attacks became worlwide more numerous (think of Spain, UK, ...).
You know usual thing (and you can't deny it) violence usually creates other violence. Imagine just what would have happened without the invasion of Afghanistan, would the terrorist still find as many people wishing to join them?

Your wish is my command Sanctus, the thread is in place, lets go to it.

[questor]

I don't consider Bush a true conservative fiscally, and totally inadequate as a communicator, so his body of work does not comprise conservatism as I know it. There is no use to continue bashing Bush, he's gone in 4 months, What the liberals should be working on is how they are going to run this country without totally ruining it. So far , on this thread I haven't had a single liberal
explain his concept of liberalism or how those ideas would help our country.
It's a no-brainer to criticise, anyone can do it, the real question is how to make it better. Any ideas?

[questor]

Moon, I'm sure you knew I was tasing you a bit about your spelling. Did you mention something about MY sense of humor?

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by questor

Moon, I'm sure you knew I was tasing you a bit about your spelling. Did you mention something about MY sense of humor?

I knew that questor, there are indeed several words i misspell routinely and one my spell checker shows as ok when it's not. It does indeed sometimes result in humorous posts. Oh God! I just realized it's a republican conspiracy to make me look ignorant. oops to late I already do that with some regularity!

[pgrmdave]

Questor, I may disagree with your conservative views on some things, but you bring up a number of valid points of discussion, namely, how do conservatives and liberals approach the same subject differently?

As for questor attributing WWII deaths to FDR, it's not really any different from blaming Bush for the deaths in Iraq. While you may disagree with the comparison of the legitimacy of the wars, it remains that each presided over the wars, and was the commander in chief of the armed forces.


One question I have for you questor - I've seen a lot of data on environmental science, but I've never found it to be biased in either direction. Does the fact that the liberals tend to embrace conserving the environment make the science more biased? Wouldn't that be like saying that economists have a conservative bias, so they shouldn't be trusted implicitly, as the conservative views tend to be more in line with economists?

[questor]

''One question I have for you questor - I've seen a lot of data on environmental science, but I've never found it to be biased in either direction. Does the fact that the liberals tend to embrace conserving the environment make the science more biased? Wouldn't that be like saying that economists have a conservative bias, so they shouldn't be trusted implicitly, as the conservative views tend to be more in line with economists?''

What does science have to do with politics? All people of the world should embrace conserving the environment, it's the only environment we live in. In my opinion the best way and only way to save the earth is to reduce population to a sustainable number. But no one is talking about that.

[Essay]

Originally Posted by questor

What does science have to do with politics? All people of the world should embrace conserving the environment, it's the only environment we live in. In my opinion the best way and only way to save the earth is to reduce population to a sustainable number. But no one is talking about that.

Sorry to hit and run, but....

As former PM Tony Blair said on Charlie Rose, last night, if I recall correctly....
"Politics hasn't caught up with what globalization has done to the rest of the world."

Your opinion about population is fine, but it is limited in its scope of seeing the problem and in offering solutions.
After all, just a few hundred million people could still destroy the global biosphere, given a profligate enough lifestyle.

Science offers ways to see the problems integrated from various perspectives (including various global perspectives) and offers even more in the way of technological, educational, and systemic solutions to those problems.

"What does science have to do with politics?" is an attitude that kind of sums up a major problem with conservatism, I think.

Thoughts?
~

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by questor

I have been accused on this site of being a closet liberal....

There is nothing "educational" or informative in your first post here. It is, in fact, a devisive, rhetorically malicious, taunting, baiting, insulting, prevaricating, misleading, erroneous, fallacious and trite example of a thinly veiled rant.

You really ought to be ashamed of yourself.

But you probably aren't. I fear you give conservatives a bad name.