The Most Important Election of Our Lives

[jackson33]

Originally Posted by pgrmdave

Actually, that's exactly what Senators were intended to do. Read the original Constitution

Bush didn't veto much, but there are a number of reasons for that:

1 - For most of his administration he had a Republican legislature
2 - He used signing statements very liberally, so that he could just put a signing statement on it rather than veto it
3 - The Congresses of his administration were roundly lambasted as "do-nothing" congresses - they put fewer bills in front of him than most Presidents, so he had less of a chance to veto anything.

In arguing terms for Senators, some wanted life tenure, others four or five (settled on 6). The sole reason to maintain understanding in Foreign Affairs. They represent their individual States, in those affairs and why they MUST ratify all Treaties. Oversight also requires knowledge in Foreign Affairs, which was and has always been a primary function of the Executive.

The fact GWB, didn't Veto his own party, is a reason he has had trouble with the Conservative Base. Think you confusing the last Congress with his first six, which were quite active. Think his first Congress sent over 8,000 bills to the White House, a record.

[pgrmdave]

I stand corrected on the congressional activity - it is likely that I have forgotten what it was like 8 years ago (keep in mind that I am 22, and was not nearly as politically active when I was 14-17 - my interest really started later, as did my desire to learn more about it than just listening to the pundits).

[InfiniteNow]

Seed magazine (a science magazine which also hosts scienceblogs.com) has given an endorsement this election season, and in their endorsement they said the following:


Seed: 2008 Endorsement for President

Science is a way of governing, not just something to be governed. Science offers a methodology and philosophy rooted in evidence, kept in check by persistent inquiry, and bounded by the constraints of a self-critical and rigorous method. Science is a lens through which we can and should visualize and solve complex problems, organize government and multilateral bodies, establish international alliances, inspire national pride, restore positive feelings about America around the globe, embolden democracy, and ultimately, lead the world. More than anything, what this lens offers the next administration is a limitless capacity to handle all that comes its way, no matter how complex or unanticipated.

I can't help but agree.


Hat Tip Pharyngula

[sanctus]

Originally Posted by jackson33

Why this problem with Palin??? [...] She can at least continue a prepared speech, when the prompter goes down or leave a media host in her tracks. As for foreign experience, no she didn't visit Africa with her Dad, but MAY understand American History.

Well if she really can continue a prepared speech, she is already way better than Bush

But a question Jackson33: why is Amrican history so important? In the present world situation knowledge of the world outside US seems more important to me...

[jackson33]

Originally Posted by sanctus

Well if she really can continue a prepared speech, she is already way better than Bush

But a question Jackson33: why is Amrican history so important? In the present world situation knowledge of the world outside US seems more important to me...

Most every president has studied US History to some degree and at least knowledgeable to how we got to this point and why. As for World history, I agree its important. The problem is no one person can be an expert on every culture, their traditions or in fact how other leaders may perceive their own history. It takes an army of advisor's to advise our leaders, where no one person knows or 'understands' all or is expected to....

Infinite; If their is anybody I would expect to understands American's and their knowledge of Science, it would be you. Day after day in reading post related to science, its obvious few understand anything about anything or have some strange ideas in all fields. We are not a nation of scientist, will never be and though unfortunate will never have a president with any vision past his/her advisor's, then based on National Security. Bush has encouraged NASA to work with the public sector in areas other than National Security and IMO thats should be the future. Various Corporate interest, are involved with educational institutions already and the trend to link science research to advancement in Medical/Pharmaceutical/Nanotech and other fields seem to be doing well.

[goku]

Originally Posted by jackson33

Most every president has studied US History to some degree and at least knowledgeable to how we got to this point and why.

i know how this nation was founded and why we are where we are.
but i can't make you know it or understand it.

abraham searched all of sodom & gamora for one good soul, but one could not be found. God distroied sodom & gamora.

evolutionists should be happy, this nation is evolving into.........

[jackson33]

Originally Posted by goku

i know how this nation was founded and why we are where we are.
but i can't make you know it or understand it.

abraham searched all of sodom & gamora for one good soul, but one could not be found. God distroied sodom & gamora.

evolutionists should be happy, this nation is evolving into.........

In relation to this election, please do advise how this Nation became all it has to Americans and in turn the world.

If you some how saying people in the US are somehow all degenerates, or don't meet the World view standards, please do advise how you formed that opinion.

If by chance your coming at me, with some theological philosophy, please excuse my questions and I'll try to excuse your ignorance....

[Qfwfq]

Originally Posted by questor

but let's discuss your core reason for your vote.

Who's reason, mine?

Don't forget that Hypography isn't an American forum for Americans. Unlike Icarus, I feel free to say my opinion here and of course US foreign politics are so highly relevant to the world as well as to US citizens. I think the mainly important thing is to bash those neocons over the head. Their policy and creed are dangerously heading all of the western world toward situations resembling past disasters and I'm relieved that US citizens have been reacting strongly against it.

BTW implying that you display lack of knowledge about your legislative bodies isn't the meaning of an ad hominem attack. If you make wrong statements about the topic, it's relevant to point it out.

Originally Posted by jackson33

Think his first Congress sent over 8,000 bills to the White House, a record.

Nitpicking: If you mean the first congress after the United States of America had ratified their new constitution instituting said congress, the White House did not yet exist. I think it was in New York City that the federal executive resided until the year 1800.
White House Facts

[chriswhite]

Im not sure there is a different outcome.

from the research I have done there is little difference between the two candidates.

the two party system is too easily controlled by special interest IMO.

[jackson33]

Originally Posted by Qfwfq

Nitpicking: If you mean the first congress after the United States of America had ratified their new constitution instituting said congress, the White House did not yet exist. I think it was in New York City that the federal executive resided until the year 1800.
White House Facts

No, was the first Congress under GWB administration and a question of a 'do nothing' Congress. Was quite the opposite, compared to current, under Bush...

Yes, the First Congress met in NYC, Federal House, think on Wall Street, later moved to Philadelphia, then to DC. The idea was to seat American government outside the jurisdiction of any State...


criswhite; What special interest??? Most lobbyist are directly connected to some public interest. Unions, medical, attorney or segmented groups of society and are funded in most part by interested folks on some issue...

This cycle has been strange and in the beginning Obama's main theme was to get out of Iraq with in 30 days of taking office, where McCain was and remains to get the job done. Since Obama has already made his first National Address to the Nation, it would be silly to go over all the original themes of his candidacy or even that of McCain's, but there were/are some differences...