Vice Presidential Debate

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by REASON

While I don't disagree with anything you guys have said thus far, I do believe she did exactly what she needed to do in this debate. With the low expectation of her performance, she appeared to come back strong. Of course, appearances are often deceiving. The Right-wingers will be riding high for a while after this one.

"Gidget goes to Washington" Good one Essay!

One of the pundits post-debate said 'Gidget goes to Washington' too. Is that the hip zinger now?

Anyway, I came to zing up your post a little Reason.

Underline: Not fall off the cliff.

Italic large: Expect (hoping?) will fall off cliff.

Bold: Did not fall off cliff.

Underline-Italic-Bold: Will take 24 hours before rightys realize there's a woman on a cliff.

[coldcreation]

Both Palin and Biden did a superb job.

However, Palin excelled greatly towards the end of the debate; in her closing statement.

Judge for yourself:

YouTube - Biden / Palin Debate Part 12 - Closing...

Both would make excellent VPs, and both would be great presidents if indeed that were to transpire.


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[pgrmdave]

Did anybody else notice Palin mentioned "Shia extremists" instead of Sunni?

She was clearly at her strongest with energy, and weakest with foreign policy. Biden showed her up soundly on foreign policy, and attacked McCain like he should have without attacking Palin.

Some facts adrift in veep debate - Yahoo! News

[coldcreation]

Originally Posted by pgrmdave

Did anybody else notice Palin mentioned "Shia extremists" instead of Sunni?
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She was likely referring to this person/group specifically.

[Nitack]

The goal for Palin last night was to repair her own tattered image. I think she managed to do that a bit. She certainly did nothing more than recite the talking points she had memorized. That is a pretty safe bet considering she flatly refused to answer questions as asked and instead spoke about what she wanted to talk about. It was the best move for her to make because she did not have to admit that she did not know the answers but at the same time was at least able to sound coherent.

One pundit put it this way, "Joe Biden had the goal of attacking McCain and he succeeded, Sarah Palin had the goal of fixing the image of Sara Palin and succeeded." That is a very important distinction because Palin was not able to use the opportunity to take aim at Obama, which is what she should have been doing. She had to spend that valuable time fixing the mess that was created because she agreed to interviews with out actually understanding the issues.

I also think that people will start realizing that it is pretty scary to have a VP, to arguably the most likely president to die in office ever, who has the objective of not screwing up more. If that is your ultimate goal, and we know they didn't expect her to wallop Biden, then that is a very serious problem.

I personally think that she tried to push the folksy words and small town image entirely too much. It is one thing for a pundit to say "joe six pack" but for a candidate to do so is a very big no no. No man wants his entire existence boiled down to a six pack of beer. It makes him look stupid and completely redneck. The only people who might find that endearing would not be watching the debate, they would have already finished their six pack. Her folksy small town image stuff was pushed too much and seemed forced at times as well. "Say it aint so Joe"... it was so clearly prepared and completely out of place.

Overall, I would say Palin helped herself out, those who wanted to like her will push aside that voice in their head that says "don't vote for this ditz", but she did not win any new votes, and probably lost some independents. This race is basically over for McCain now. Her previous debacles drew way too much attention away from their issues and gave the other camp a pass on any scrutiny. At this point the only chance McCain has is a hail mary (both the play and the prayer).

On a side note, the partisan lines are clearly drawn. I have a colleague who used to be a GOP staffer on the hill and she was raving about how Sarah Palin knocked it out of the park and that she destroyed Biden. It was pretty clear that she was seeing through her GOP glasses and a little out of touch with reality.

[questor]

Would one of you Obamians please tell me EXACTLY what you think Obama is going to do that gets you so excited? Please don't just say anything is better than Bush, that doesn't show much thought.

[Nitack]

Originally Posted by questor

Would one of you Obamians please tell me EXACTLY what you think Obama is going to do that gets you so excited? Please don't just say anything is better than Bush, that doesn't show much thought.

Where did i say I supported Obama? Frankly he is an idiot that doesn't understand basic economic concepts. He is a traditional entitlement socialist that thinks he can tax and spend his way to a glorious socialist republic.

I am a libertarian, I don't want the ridiculous socialist programs of the Dems and I can't stand the religious zealotry of the Republicans. That leaves me completely out in the cold since our system does not allow for viable third parties.

[questor]

I have been damaged financially by redistribution of income schemes and higher taxes, but so far, I have not been damaged by praying Americans. Just lucky I guess.

[Nitack]

Originally Posted by questor

I have been damaged financially by redistribution of income schemes and higher taxes, but so far, I have not been damaged by praying Americans. Just lucky I guess.

If you were homosexual would you be allowed to marry your partner no matter where you lived in this country? Denial of equal rights based on the religious beliefs of the majority.

Do you not acknowledge the very real risk that if you live in a rural area that your children may be forced to learn that Intelligent Design is a scientific concept if they go to public school? Teaching of religious concepts as science because they object to the real scientific theories.

I call the denial of equal rights and intentionally dumbing down our children to be quite damaging.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by questor

I have been damaged financially by redistribution of income schemes and higher taxes, but so far, I have not been damaged by praying Americans. Just lucky I guess.

Yeah; I'd say luck is the operative term. Too bad these kids got the short end of the prayer stick.

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