Ayers, Liddy, and other political questions about McCain and Obama's associations

[Buffy]

Moderation note: The first 56 posts of this thread were moved (with some difficult in choosing) from the “Activists on terror lists”, because they are about the McCain-Obama Presidential contest, not terrorist watch lists.

Seeing as how McCain rallies have been recorded with participants yelling "kill him!" and "terrorist!" as direct threats against Senator Obama and McCain freely continues to consort with these people, then he should immediately be charged with sedition, and perhaps sent to Guantanamo because there is the slightest possibility that his activities may produce great bodily harm to US citizens.

Wouldn't you agree questor?

From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step,
Buffy

[questor]

Buffy, if I said to you what you are saying to me, the moderators would be all over me. Exactly what is the inference in this post?

Seeing as how McCain rallies have been recorded with participants yelling "kill him!" and "terrorist!" as direct threats against Senator Obama and McCain freely continues to consort with these people, then he should immediately be charged with sedition, and perhaps sent to Guantanamo because there is the slightest possibility that his activities may produce great bodily harm to US citizens.

Wouldn't you agree questor?

From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step,
Buffy

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Buffy

Seeing as how McCain rallies have been recorded with participants yelling "kill him!" and "terrorist!" …

A point of accuracy: cries of “terrorist!” from McCain rally attendees have been recorded. The much-discussed cry of “kill him!”, which Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank claims to have heard on 10/6, has not been found on any audio recordings of the event yet examined.

This is not to say the cry did or did not occur, or that Milbank did or did not accurately hear it, only that no automated recording of it has been found.

The Secret Service are investigating Milbank’s claim. It’s a federal felony to threaten a presidential candidate, of which legal precedent has been established that simply shouting “kill him!” is a violation. The Secret Service take the job of protecting elected office holders and candidates very seriously, and I’m sure strongly want to know who, if anyone, uttered this cry.

Source: 'Kill Him' Yell At Clearwater Palin Rally Being Probed

[questor]

YES! These are the people we need to bring our country together!

YouTube - Obama's terrorist connections - William...

By his friends and his acts, ye shall know him.

[Essay]

Originally Posted by questor

YES! These are the people we need to bring our country together!

By his friends and his acts, ye shall know him.

I'm assuming your first comment is sarcastic....
...and that since your final comment sounds biblical, it must have veracity?
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Questor,
You seem to be a voice of relative calm and reason in the blogosphere, and I'd really like to hear what you have to say. I've responded to various questions of yours, but I rarely (I think) see a response from you to any of my questions. Feel free to go back thru some of these more enjoyable threads and comment on my responses, or find some of my questions....

....Or respond to others' questions; but please don't just re-post some blogospheric sludge designed to target the reptilian part of our brains. This is a science forum; let's stick to ideas that can be supported by citatable evidence.

I've spent my life surrounded by the "liberal elite," after changing from pre-Med. to a library career (it was a univ. research library, so my Chem. & Biochem degrees were "used"); but my point is that learning more about the "conservative worldview" would really help explain what is going on in the world.

Personally, I can't even watch YouTubes on my computer; but I'll be willing to accept it as good evidence of some point in discussion (assuming someone else will check the veracity).
Is there some point you'd like to make, for which this video would be a good citation?

What'dya think of my social/capitalism suggestions/impromptu examples?
...or Reason's very thoughtful points, above? Be back later....

Thanks,
~

p.s. ...and yes; what pgrmdave says above too! You don't want to equate civil disobedience with terrorism, do you?
...and hey!!! Most of those St. Paul arrests were pre-emptive, if you'll look (or I'll cite something later).

[Zythryn]

Ayers in 1997 was named 'Chicago Citizen Of The Year' for his efforts in education.
And he is hardly a friend of Obama. Yes, they know each other. And yes, they have met in a few board meetings (nasty evil terroristic meetings like things about poverty and education). Obama has condemned his past behaviors.

I really hope McCain brings this up during the debate. It will show the rest of the undecided voters just how manipulative and desperate he is.

[questor]

Do you think people can read about the lives of others, serve on boards with others, visit the homes of others, be supported for political office by others, work for the same causes as others, and not be aware of others opinions? Why don't you read some information about Ayers teachings and beliefs? It's public record.

[pgrmdave]

Being aware of others' opinions, even disagreeing with them, doesn't mean that you should refuse all contact with them. Sometimes people can be wrong about some things, and right about other things.

Keep in mind questor that your presence here is a good example of why Obama's Ayers connection isn't that important. You disagree with people here, and people disagree with you. And yet, I suspect that we've all learned from each other, and have a bit more respect for each other, and are possibly even better people for it.



It makes no sense to renounce people as soon as they disagree with you on something. People are complex, and nobody has only bad ideas or only good ideas. In this case, the question should not be whether Obama had ties to Ayers, but rather how well Obama was able to take the good ideas from Ayers while ignoring the bad.

[Donk]

Originally Posted by questor

To clear up some misconceptions..
William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn...

link:30-Y.O. Unsolved SF Murders Reopen (Bernadine Dohrn suspect in murders of two police officers?)

also..

and...

link: Family Security Matters » Publications » Exclusive: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn – Friends of Barack Obama

These people are now college professors and friends of Obama

This election cycle has thrown up a huge number of smoking guns that have on examination turned out to be red herrings. The sheer level of polemic shown in your quotes makes me unwilling to waste time checking on the supposed facts - I'll wait until I read it from a reputable source.

One section is clearly wrong though - no checking needed:

Shortly after the Days of Rage riot, the Weathermen risibly “declared war” on the United States. The sheer pretentiousness of these junior Bolsheviks was vaguely laughable.

Remember 9/11? A bunch of Saudi Arabians armed with craft knives declared war on the United States. Your own president said so. Was that "risible"? Were they being "pretentious"? Was there anything "laughable" about it??

Isn't it an act of faith that anything a Saudi Arabian can do, an American Citizen can do better?

[questor]

I don't think McCain attended Hagee's church 20 years, or was baptized by him, or socialized with him. Furthermore, a transgression by one party does not absolve transgression by another. If you are satisfied with Obama's picks for friends, pastors and mentors, I can understand where you are coming from. I just wouldn't vote for someone like that, or trust him to lead the country.