What future might the Political "Right" have?

[Moontanman]

Personally I am hoping that during one of his tirades Rush Limbaugh will achieve critical mass, implode, and suck all the neocons into a political black hole. But that's just me.......

[charles brough]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Well, whatever the length of the trend, it is registered and it counters your preceding contrary assertion. I thought that was a realistic dichotomy. Morover, since your assertion was a premise to a conclusion, doom & gloom?, and since your premise is false, your conclusion is false.

Surely you know this is a great example of ancient, simplistic, "black or white,"" good or bad" reasoning a la Ancient Greek. Hasn't it occurred to you that things are not so simplistic and that there is no clear "Truth", that it is only a matter of being more accurate? We are in the scientific, Einstein age with an understanding of the relativeness and complexity of things. You have contributed nothing there except to stoke your ego.

charles

[stereologist]

The future of the Right is like the future of the Left - they come back from time to time. Well ... now is an example of the Left coming back. The Left is bound on a course of self destruction since they can, will, and have already made mistakes since they lack the constraints of other voices. They can, will, and have already forced through measures that will cost them in the next election.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by charles brough

Surely you know this is a great example of ancient, simplistic, "black or white,"" good or bad" reasoning a la Ancient Greek. Hasn't it occurred to you that things are not so simplistic and that there is no clear "Truth", that it is only a matter of being more accurate? We are in the scientific, Einstein age with an understanding of the relativeness and complexity of things. You have contributed nothing there except to stoke your ego.

charles

Pardon Chuck? Logic is merely ego-stroking? A generalized principle is just that, no matter the "age" in which it manifests. Shall we throw out the laws of levers on account of age?
ΤΑ ΜΕΓΕΘΕΑ ΙΣΟΡΡΟΠΕΟΝΤΙ ΑΠΟ ΜΑΚΕΩΝ ΑΝΤΙΠΕΠΟΝΘΟΤΩΣ ΤΟΝ ΑΥΤΟΝ ΛΟΓΟΝ ΕΧΟΝΤΩΝ ΤΟΙΣ ΒΑΡΕΣΙΝ

Satanya said, “Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.”, but implicit in that is that if one does know the past, one has the opportunity to not repeat it.

Originally Posted by stereologist

The future of the Right is like the future of the Left - they come back from time to time. Well ... now is an example of the Left coming back. The Left is bound on a course of self destruction since they can, will, and have already made mistakes since they lack the constraints of other voices. They can, will, and have already forced through measures that will cost them in the next election.

Mmmmm....no other voices? Really? We can't count the voices that elected the President? The ones that support his job performance since he took office? Ah, but that's the left & this thread is about the right. Do you suggest the right has a future only because you expect the left to fail?

[charles brough]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Pardon Chuck? Logic is merely ego-stroking? A generalized principle is just that, no matter the "age" in which it manifests. Shall we throw out the laws of levers on account of age?
Satanya said, “Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.”, but implicit in that is that if one does know the past, one has the opportunity to not repeat it.

Really! Don't you think that the reasoning process has evolved, improved, in the last 2,400 years? Don't you think that thinking has been advanced by Einstein's relativity and all the great scientists in the 1920s and 1930s who discovered that there is no "Truth" and that we only develop a more accurate understanding of ourselves and our universe?

I write what is logical, but do not use old Greek logic. Take for example the old "of two contradictory statements, one at least must be false." It sounds so real---to the Ancients. But what do you do with "The sun is round." and then, "The sun is not round"? Actually, it is slightly pear shaped. Not one of the statements is "false" and each is either more or less accurate than the other---slightly pear shaped being the most accurate but "round" being accurate enough for general, practical use.

In dealing with history, it is important to understand what is going on so that you can tell when history repeats itself and when it does not.

[stereologist]

Mmmmm....no other voices? Really? We can't count the voices that elected the President? The ones that support his job performance since he took office? Ah, but that's the left & this thread is about the right. Do you suggest the right has a future only because you expect the left to fail?

Ha. Ha. No. The left has a future because the right failed.

The left fails, then the right, then the left. This election was a lot closer than people admit. Other elections had a much larger spread:
Nixon and McGovern right won 60% vote all but MA and DC
Johnson and Goldwater left won 61% vote
Reagan and Carter right won 51% and 44 states (recall Anderson got 6.6%)
Obama and McCain left won 53%

So this election was not as big a win as other elections in popular votes or electoral college votes. The flip flop between big wins between the left and right has gone on for years. I suggest you might want to look back at previous post election rhetoric that claims the end of the Democratic party and the Left. Didn't happen.

The future of the Right is continue to do what they do and it will win again.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by charles brough

Really! Don't you think that the reasoning process has evolved, improved, in the last 2,400 years? Don't you think that thinking has been advanced by Einstein's relativity and all the great scientists in the 1920s and 1930s who discovered that there is no "Truth" and that we only develop a more accurate understanding of ourselves and our universe?

I write what is logical, but do not use old Greek logic. ...

Yes Chuck; I know about humans' improvement. I'm a product of it. I suppose I must ask you what formal system of logic you use.

Originally Posted by Steer Olly

Ha. Ha. No. The left has a future because the right failed.

The left fails, then the right, then the left. This election was a lot closer than people admit. Other elections had a much larger spread.
...
The future of the Right is continue to do what they do and it will win again.

Never mind that politics is a dynamic system and that you have applied simplistic linear analysis.

Predictions are hard to make, especially when they deal with the future.

[charles brough]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Yes Chuck; I know about humans' improvement. I'm a product of it. I suppose I must ask you what formal system of logic you use.

Yes, you are a product of Ancient Greek logic. but fitted to modern times scientific knowledge. That IS an improvement I admit.

What formal logic do I adhere to? You infer that good logic has been formalized and has a name. I am unaware of that. Perhaps this is where you can educate me!

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by chuckles

Yes, you are a product of Ancient Greek logic. but fitted to modern times scientific knowledge. That IS an improvement I admit.

What formal logic do I adhere to? You infer that good logic has been formalized and has a name. I am unaware of that. Perhaps this is where you can educate me!

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

The Way is what causes the people to have the same thinking as their superiors;

they may be given death, or they may be given life, but there is no fear of danger and betrayal.

Heaven is dark and light, cold and hot, and the seasonal constraints.

Ground is high and low, far and near, obstructed and easy, wide and narrow, and dangerous and safe.

General is wisdom, credibility, benevolence, courage, and discipline.

Law is organization, the chain of command, logistics, and the control of expenses.

All these five no general has not heard;

one who knows them is victorious, one who does not know them is not victorious.

Therefore, compare them by means of calculation, and determine their statuses. ...

Chapter 1 Sun Tzu The Art of War and Strategy Site.