Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye (gardeing)

[freeztar]

One of the things I noticed while scanning the proposal, which has not been mentioned, is protection of the US food supply from intentional contamination (terrorism). The proposition looks good all around to me and long overdue.

[belovelife]

Originally Posted by freeztar

One of the things I noticed while scanning the proposal, which has not been mentioned, is protection of the US food supply from intentional contamination (terrorism). The proposition looks good all around to me and long overdue.

i did mention that
re-read my posts

actually it was stated several times in different sections of the bill

[Ganoderma]

the burning crop scenarios, and related topics, are what got me paranoid. I dont have a source handy, perhaps others do. but i remember a few years back monsanto being accused of destroying fields they found to be growing their patented crops without the people buying the seeds, or the plants reseeding themselves. these "types of situations" are the ones i am wondering.

if my farms TMV prone tomato plants are spreading pollen to the big field next door, does that make my farm a possible target?

I understand the need for food production, really do. but i also feel strongly in the right to grow food, even if it is not the choicest, or even a pathetic geno/phenotype.

or other un altered crops that are not "up to par" with current views of what should be, could this be means of an investigation?

[belovelife]

in the wording, up to par means that it doesn't make humans get sick

i know that instance of the burnign of the crops, it was because the bees or whatever polinated someone's crop with the pollen from the GMO crop

it was bad news

as far as your crop goes
it should be safe, unless you enter the commerce field

(i'm not sure), but it think the leglislation is intended only towards commercial growers

but in the litigation process, it may be difined in other ways

so basically the leglislation isn't bad

but in the litigation process the definitions that follow are the main point to be concerned with

that is why the orginazations spreading the worry for organic farming want specific protection for organic crops

although, how do you protect a crop from pollen

if you have a GMO crop next door, and you collect and use your own seeds, then more then likely you are no longer growing organic crops, but an organic/GMO hybrid

then again, if you stipulated protection from GMO pollen

then the GMO would want protection from your pollen

a vicious circle

thats why some say that keeping the old seeds in seed banks is important to protect humanity

and that 90% of the corn in the world is GMO, through pollen dispersal

or something similar anyway

[Moontanman]

I think it's important to understand that not all crops are the result of pollen crosses. Tomatoes as mentioned do not even need to be pollinated to set fruit and usually self pollinate, simply touching the blossom will cause tomatoes to set fruit. I have never seen tomato plants cross pollinate and produce intermediate plants when planted in the same garden. The GM plants that have been sited as spreading their "genes" beyond the field they were planted in were corn. Corn is unusual in that it has to be kept isolated to keep different types of corn from causing different seeds on adjacent plants. If you plant sweet corn near field corn the two will cross and produce intermediate ears of corn. Most vegetables to not work this way and fear of GM plants crossing with more common in bred plants isn't a big problem. Corn is unusual in it's affinity to cross pollinate different strains possibly caused by all corn being closely related. You will not see different types of beans crossing each other in the field and causing the resulting beans to be a cross between say pole beans and butter beans. Another thing that needs to be said is that GM doesn't automatically mean something bad. Yes some GM plants have been somewhat less than savory but GM like any other technology is only as good or bad as the people who use it. IMHO the people who thought they could plant odd types of corn and not expect them to cross pollinate and share genes were simply stupid and weren't real farmers and had no clue as to how things really work. I remember more than 40 years ago being told by my grandpa that it was important to grow different types of corn as far apart as possible to keep the resulting corn from being a cross between the two, funny that modern people who were developing new types of corn didn't know this simple truth.

[Moontanman]

Oh yeah belove, the corn crosses were the result of wind blowing the pollen of corn, most of the time bees only visit one type of plant at a time and so seldom cross pollinate different plants.

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by Ganoderma

GovTrack: H.R. 875: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House





I will let you flip through it and draw your own conclusions.

Well would they come and fix the toxic waste left by Union Carbide , now Dow in Sydney Harbour in the1960s-80s?
Now even the sharks won't eat the SH fish; they are eating people instead.
The Government doesn't want to know.

Eaten any Vietnamese prawns lately? That's were most -but not all-of the Agent Orange they were producing ended up.

[Moontanman]

speaking of toxic waste i read a sci-fi story about aliens that c9me to the earth to stock their space craft with food (meat) much like old time sailors would visit an island and harvest lots of turtles or what ever was handy. They usually harvested whales since whales were the most common large animals but on this trip they noticed humans had killed all the other large animals and so they decided to harvest us! (did I mention they were insectiods?) it turned out human meat was so full of pesticides and chemicals it wasn't fit to eat so they left us alone!