Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye (gardeing)

[Ganoderma]

GovTrack: H.R. 875: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House

HR 875 IH

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 875

To establish the Food Safety Administration within the Department of Health and Human Services to protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional contamination, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

I will let you flip through it and draw your own conclusions.

[belovelife]

i read this, what conclutions are you talking about

although i know alot of people are trying to get organic farming
protected in this legislation

but it also insinuates protection
whereas if food is found to be harmful to humans
it becomes confiscated etc.

all depending on what type of food provider you are
but if you are a large food provider (type I )
you should be checked

rats and coocarachas and stuff
you know that the amount of rat poo in you diet is regulated by
similar litigation

also this is meant to unite several factions of the goverment
to allow for more efficient food protection

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Ganoderma

GovTrack: H.R. 875: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House

I will let you flip through it and draw your own conclusions.

HR 875 is an 80 page document! Reading it sufficiently for a reasonable level of comprehension is likely to take hours, while flipping through it is likely to result in a poor comprehension of it.

Ganoderma, do you wish to discuss something specific about this bill? Can you provide more specific quotes and comments?

Skimming the bill, I don’t see anything in it that would prohibit gardening. What in the bill leads you to comment “goodbye (gardening)”?

[belovelife]

i read the whole thing
basically it doesn't introduce new rules (save a few tolerances and defining foregn nation
roles in food inspection)
it set 5 catagories
appoints a new director
unifies a few departments

and it emphisises protection from intentional addition of hazerdous material
probly united with the nsa on that (you know intel and stuff)

then it defines court proceeding
and allows for payback plus interest if found innocent

[Moontanman]

I've received several messages on the net claiming this bill will out law organic farming and back yard farming. It is so long most people will accept it as being what is claimed instead of reading it. Typical fear mongering tactics.

[Ganoderma]

i must admit i am no lawyer, so i cannot pick apart the bill as is, but the main backer being Monsanto, make some MORE than nervous.

It's not so much the gun i am scared of, as the person holding it.

How are these laws able to be manipulated into allowing various companies to push tehir products. making new "super foods" that are immune to various diseases, what then would become of the traditional ones, which could be considered unsafe in comparison.

i know, all speculation, but with certain companies that push a bill, i get really worried, Monsanto is one of them. they have a poor history with things like human compassion and greed.

[belovelife]

i know, i've read some of the concerns from friends that have dealings with such companies
the argument is not that it directly endangers oragnic growing teqniques
but on large scale growing farms
anyone can grow their own food
but once it his public commerce, is when this bills rules come into effect
(i do have experience reading and interpreting litigation and legislation)
and as your company increases production
you are under more scrutany
so you would not be under as much scrutiny as a level V
as you would in a level I, based on the amount of production/distribution

now the thing is that alot of countries still only do organic farming
it is the industrial nations that use GMO
(like the tomatoe crossed with a fish to give the tomatoe more lusture)

but this bill also stipulates that if the food in production causes harm to human life
then it is confiscated and the facility is closed (via a trial)

this is a huge debate currently going on in the world of agriculture

on the view of the population that i associate with
only organic should be eaten

now as a world production view
while farming one plant in a given area with minimal genetic differences
produces massive quantities of food, it also allows for specific weaknesses
so the solution would be to modify the organism to have genetic defences

while this is still relatively new (besides common "creme of the crop" selective breeding)
we still are not 100% of the outcome of the GMO food on the human population

also conversly, GMO food can be formulated to enhance the delivery of nutrients

so the debate goes on

in this litigation it neither hurts nor enables organic food production
but protects the population in the way the orginazation sees fit

it is already going on with the FDA
this is not new stuff, only reorginizing

[belovelife]

oh yea, in litigation, loopholes are defined after the leglislation is passed,
and it is defined by lawyers debating the meaning of the word "the"
so in any litigation, wording is important
but as an individual, to find lookholes you actually have to refrence
many articles of law, and dictionaries in the year that the leglislation was written
although most leglislation is defined in courts by the current meaning of the word
the meaning may differ slightly then the meaning of the word when written

so a "loophole" could be inserted simply by altering the meaning of the word
in the dictionary that the court defines its language in

this is a major concept

that is why (like a program) certain words are defined in the beginning of the leglislation
X=1
and then further in the litigation it refers to definitions given in other sections of the whole
of the leglislation (the whole rule as to say)
so it is not in only one section of the law to define words and or loopholes

but in the concepts of the ideas invloved

[belovelife]

oh yea, one thing about this leglislation that i found, is the potential for a crop to be burned
by possible contamination properties in realtionship to large scale farming

say you have an organic farm
and potentially the wind or bees or whatever could contaminate a huge crop
with the pollen from your crop

then this does allow for your crop to be investigated

this is the only major loophole that i found
and it should be looked into

the idea would be large scale farmers filing a complaint that a small farmers crop
is polluting the genetics of their crops

although i think that the more varyation of the genetic makup of a crop is fundimental
big buisness may not feel the same way

[Cedars]

A few days ago michaelAngelica posted this here (starting Post #16):

http://hypography.com/forums/earth-s...-feasible.html

I took the time to skim the bill and posted my response to it. Lemit also posted responses to it.

This has nothing to do with backyard gardening!

This legislation is geared towards Tyson chicken, Hormel meats, Oscar Meyer, Birds Eye, Kraft, Fischer Peanuts, Nestle, Crystal Farms, Land o' Lakes, etc. Most of the above listed places ALREADY document and test and recall. Nothing will change in their current operations. The already have labs and employ persons to test for a multitude of pathogens.

Look at the link to the other thread and note the bold/underlines. Cross reference your individual state Dept of Agriculture, Dept of Commerce and see what regulations all ready exist before jumping to assumptions that OMG the government is getting involved.

The US Feds have been TOO lax on protecting the food supply in the USA. Protecting the consumers from outside AND internal food supply issues.