for those who like to argue...

[Tarantism]

in my opinoin, it is absolutely rediculous that cocaine is a scedule two drug, yet the much safer and less addicting cannibus is a scedule one. its nearly impossible to overdose with the abuse of marijuana, yet you hear it happening with cocaine, haroine and other mathanphetamines(sp?) all the time. Also, Salvia Divinorum is legal, and that is a much more potent, psychadellic drug. Finilly, smoking herb is so common that it almost seems not even worth it to persue "stoners" seeing as how there are many more dangerous drugs on the market.

therefore i pose this question to those with the knowlege: would it be a good idea to leagalize marijuana?

[rockytriton]

Sure it would be a good idea, but only if you would want to be killed by drug lords.

[rockytriton]

by the way, what is scedule one and two? and what is this Salvia stuff?

[Tarantism]

ha! i think that you are leaning too much on the scarface side of things, i know of growers, cannibus club members and M.D.'s who supply marijuana, but drug lords? hmmm.

[Tarantism]

Originally Posted by rockytriton

by the way, what is scedule one and two? and what is this Salvia stuff?

well, starting with Sc. 1 and 2, that is just a way to gage the importance or regulating the use of different drugs, for example i believe that most drugs that you see at right aid and such are sc. 4, meaning that they are totally legal to sell, but the government still regulates the dosages. scedule one drugs mean that dealing or possesion is an automatic felony...cocaine is not. rediculous.

Salvia...i dont know much about it other than that it is a very intense psychadellic drug that can do one of a million different things to you, but the one thing that everyone agrees on is that it throws you into another consiousness.

[cwes99_03]

What would legalizing it accomplish?
Other than allowing many more people to think it is completely harmless, thereby encouraging more people to ruin their minds, bodies, health, and risk their lives and others when these pot heads get so high that they get behind the wheel and drive into oncoming traffic.
New a couple of guys in college who liked to smoke weed. Guess how many years it took them to finish. Guess how many classes they failed. Guess what their GPA was compared to mine when they graduated.
The reasons for outlawing marijuana is that it is extremely harmful to the smoker and just as harmful to everyone they come into contact with while high. As for Salvia, it should be scheduled.
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/dr...d/salvia_d.htm
A little DOJ info on salvia.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia_law.shtml
Salvia divinorum is uncontrolled in the United States. This means all parts of the plant and its extracts are legal to buy, sell, cultivate, and possess without a license or prescription. If sold as a supplement, sales must conform to U.S. supplement laws. If sold for consumption as a food or drug, sales are regulated by the FDA.

The federal analog act generally requires that, in order to qualify as an analog, a substance must be chemically similar to a substance which is federally scheduled. Salvia Divinorum is chemically quite different from other scheduled substances and as a plant is quite unlikely to be targeted by this act.

Selling Salvia divinorum for human consumption as a "drug" is probably illegal in the US under the Food, Drug & Cosmetics Act and its sale as a drug would be regulated by the FDA. Selling an unapproved drug in the US can be prosecuted under the FD&C's "misbranding" clause. (FD&C Section 502) The more it is packaged and marketed as a drug (for example a 10x extract hyped as 'the new ecstasy') the more likely it is to be treated as an "illegal drug" by law enforcement agents.

The US Air Force is considering whether to include Salvia divinorum in the list of banned drugs. See Plant could get airmen in legal hot water, Jan 2004.

California Analog Act
Under the strict California Analog Act, salvia could potentially be prosecuted if it is sold for human consumption as a psychoactive drug.

US Federal Analogue Act
Under the Federal Analogue Act, salvia fails to meet the "chemically similar" criteria and thus is not subject to the analogue act provisions. However, the DEA has recently changed their view on this and now states:

"Salvia Divinorum, Salvinorin A, and Divinorin A are not listed in the Controlled Substances Act. If sold for human consumption, Salvia may be subject to control under the Analogue statutes because of its functional pharmacological similarities to other CI hallucinogens like THC."
-- from DEA Diversion Salvia Page Feb 2002

However the DEA's analysis is completely flawed. The Federal Analogue Act, as currently understood requires that a substance be "chemically similar" to a controlled substance not "pharmacologically similar" as the DEA suggests in their quote. Very little is known about the pharmacology of Salvia and there is still much unknown about the pharmacology of THC. Saying the two are 'pharmacologically similar' might satisfy the paragraph II of the Analogue Act test, but its also just wrong. Perhaps the DEA has performed human pharamcology studies on salvinorin that they are keeping secret, but most likely the authors of this article are just trying to use their position to further extend the reach of their power well beyond the scope of the law.

Salvinorin is not a chemical analog of any scheduled substance.

[rockytriton]

hmm, if you think it's not illegal to deal or possess cocaine you are mistaken.

[Tarantism]

i now that it is illegal to buy and sell cocaine, as well it should be, but posession of it is NOT a fellony.

"Salvia Divinorum, Salvinorin A, and Divinorin A are not listed in the Controlled Substances Act. If sold for human consumption, Salvia may be subject to control under the Analogue statutes because of its functional pharmacological similarities to other CI hallucinogens like THC."
-- from DEA Diversion Salvia Page Feb 2002

thanks for the info, but what i want to know is if the DEA knows the psychadellic effects of Salvinorin A, Divinorin A, and Salvia Divinorum, then why dont they regulate the distribution, or why isnt it a sceduled drug?

[Turtle]

[Tarantism]

another thing, you said that you had friends who smoked herb, but what you need to understand is that its all abou thow you use your high. the thought process is amazing and if you use it to your advantage it can have amazingly positive artisitic and scientific results. Only someone who has never smoked could say that marijuana is a completely negative thing.

oh, and as far as driving goes, im sure that, if legal, driving under the influence of marijuana would be illegal, like driving drunk. alchohol is legal, and its much easier to become an alchoholic than get "addicited" to the THC in cannibus. Also, Alchohol acts as a depressant and marijuana is an anti-depressant.