Does Capitalism have any business in a New World Order?

[MagnetMan]

Capitalism was an excellent tool as a domestic system of exchange during the era of nation building. It encouraged entrepreneurship, invention and the rapid growth of the technologies needed to develop the colonies.

Capitalism turned lethal when it went international, ending up in a lost generation of Cold War spending that bankrupted the two International super-powers, threatened the extinction of all life on earth, and left the next generations neck deep in debt.

Capitalism is an artiifcial obstruction in the new era of globalization. It is completely incapable of putting the whole world to work in the increasingly urgent business of efficient planet management.

[Cedars]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Capitalism was an excellent tool as a domestic system of exchange during the era of nation building. It encouraged entrepreneurship, invention and the rapid growth of the technologies needed to develop the colonies.

Capitalism turned lethal when it went international, ending up in a lost generation of Cold War spending that bankrupted the two International super-powers, threatened the extinction of all life on earth, and left the next generations neck deep in debt.

Capitalism is an artiifcial obstruction in the new era of globalization. It is completely incapable of putting the whole world to work in the increasingly urgent business of efficient planet management.

There is still a lot of nation building going on. It is not capitalism that is impeading nation growth as much as it is culture and politics.

What two international superpowers went bankrupt because of capitolism?

Explain how capitalism is an obstruction.

[TheBigDog]

Capitalism was the salvation of the past and is the hope of the future. Please describe how a "New World Order" would function without capitalism. I will get into historical facts a bit later.

Bill

[Tarantism]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Capitalism was the salvation of the past and is the hope of the future. Please describe how a "New World Order" would function without capitalism. I will get into historical facts a bit later.

Bill

tell me what solutions capitolism can offer me.
corruption is the biggest problem in my eyes as far as capitolism goes,
humans tend to always have personal motives, not always for the good of others.

yeah and what "new world order"?

[Racoon]

Capitalism isn't perfect.

Adam Smith's Free Hand economy does offer several advantages...
Including the Market finding its own way to regulate the flow of goods/services needed and desired.
Along with development of new technology and Manufacturing efficiency

If NOT Capitalism, then WHAT???

Because although Socialism seems great on paper, We know it sucks!

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by (((tartanism)))

tell me what solutions capitolism can offer me.
corruption is the biggest problem in my eyes as far as capitolism goes,
humans tend to always have personal motives, not always for the good of others.

yeah and what "new world order"?

It offers you the opportunity to do whatever you choose, as long as you are willing to earn it. No other system offers that. If you are an American and you do not appreciae the freedoms that capitalism has offered you then I don't know what can help you. Maybe you should read some history or travel around and see what the reality of alternative systems really is.

Corruption is not an offshoot of capitalism. It is a flaw of human character. It exists in every society. Just with other societies you get to have oppression along with your corruption. If you want that then go fid it and enjoy.

Bill

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by Cedars

There is still a lot of nation building going on. It is not capitalism that is impeading nation growth as much as it is culture and politics.

The new nations of today do not need capital to reinvent the wheel all over again - and then go on to encourage ran-away consumerism and in the process pollute their environments. They should be allowed to share freely in the accumulated knowledge and technology that has already bought and paid for by all our ancestors. Making a profit on Ages of accumulated human ingenuity and then letting that profit gravitate into fewer and fewer hands is both inefficient in the long run and selfishly unethical.

[quote]What two international superpowers went bankrupt because of capitolism?[/quote'
The USA and the USSR Both wasted an entire generation of effort on a senseless arms race in a short-sighted competition to control the globe and which cost far more than either could afford.

Explain how capitalism is an obstruction.

There is not enough money on the planet to get the entire world fully employed and thereby enable us to meet the exponential reality of educatiing, houring, feeding and energizing massive population growth as well as engage in the large-scale engineering challenges of planet management that will define the global ideology of the 21st Century. Capitalism is based on short-term returns and endless consumerism - much of it gadgetry and most of it paper administration.. The business of planet management is based on long-term sustainability and an ethic of custodianship.

[MagnetMan]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Capitalism was the salvation of the past and is the hope of the future. Please describe how a "New World Order" would function without capitalism. I will get into historical facts a bit later.

Bill

This and the next few statements were posted while I was busy answering Cedar.

The answer you ask for is partly given to him. Will engage in further debate once you have digested that and I have listened to historical facts from you that I might not be aware of.

Originally Posted by Racoon

Capitalism isn't perfect.


If NOT Capitalism, then WHAT???

Because although Socialism seems great on paper, We know it sucks!

The short answer is that by evoking an ethic of global stewardship in the next generation of children and wean them off endless gadgetry consummerism and the vast bureaucratic waste to takes to regulate and control a monetary system based on private ownership.

This short answer of course raises a thousand more questions. The long answer is in my book on Psyche-Genetics, which deals with innate imprint of human ethical behavior that has resulted from over 100,000 generations of evolutionary development.

In brief, the theory argues that we are entering a 5th Shift of the collective consciousness. We are leaving a teenage state of pseudo-intellectual religious protestation and independent self-determination and entering a more responsible adult Nuclear Age of indeterminate possibilities in an essnetially interdependent universe. Thus a mass social and spiritual adjustment needs to be made by all of us, in order to meet these new evolutionary exigencies.

Though I deeply respect its colonial history, capitalism was only a transitionary contractual deology. It cannot address the exponential needs of this present New Age. The chaos in the undeveloped world and the growing resentment is clear evidence of this. Only an ethic of unversal Custodianship can move us forward. It will require all of mankind working together to steward the globe as a single family estate for us to survive in the coming century and continue on an evoltionary journey that has taken us from the infancy of our Stone Age onwards - to an eventual Age of Cosmic sagehood, when I believe our developmental cycle will end.

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

The new nations of today do not need capital to reinvent the wheel all over again - and then go on to encourage ran-away consumerism and in the process pollute their environments.

Capitalism is based on short-term returns and endless consumerism - much of it gadgetry and most of it paper administration.. The business of planet management is based on long-term sustainability and an ethic of custodianship.

What about China? they might have the worst pollution problem of all!!

In a free market, people can make more money than they need for basic subsistence; and therefor explore the possibilities of "Fun, Travel, Art, Sport, and Leisure"

When people quit buying "junk", then Companies will quit making "junk"
Capitalism is Very Responsive!
How many companies are making more 8-Tracks now??
It's been awhile since my Economics class, but
Capitalism doesn't necessarily mean Consumerism. (although that is what it is becoming in America)

Please offer an alternate system of exchange. Its not the Capitalistic System that is flawed, but rather as THEBigDog alluded, A human flaw of Greed and Corruption.

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by MagnetMan

The USA and the USSR Both wasted an entire generation of effort on a senseless arms race in a short-sighted competition to control the globe and which cost far more than either could afford.

Reality check!

Fact #1 - The USA has aided in building nations around the world with varying levels of success by promoting freedom and democracy within populations, and protecting smaller nations from being victimized by the invading forces of other nations. We have lead the world in this effort. And despite the frequent talk about how we install puppet governments, it is simply not the fact.

Fact #2 - The USSR was bent on world communism under the control of the Kremlin. Their version of nationbuilding was to invade, oppress and kill or imprison the dissidents. In the event that a government was "independant" they were in fact a copy of the Soviet government under supervison of the Soviet government.

Fact #3 - The USA did not go bankrupt while winning the cold war with the USSR. Yes, we took on debt. But we are not bankrupt. That would indicate that we had stopped paying our debt, and had concluded that we could not any longer pay our debt. That is far from reality. If we are so bankrupt then why are forign countries eager to by US bonds? Because it is the safest investment in the history.

Now, what is the political and economic structure of this so called "New World Order"?

Bill