Family Values: Incest

InfiniteNow · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

He cannot understand why incest has been stgmatized. Who did it? What for? How do we resolve the plight of millions of families who cannot reveal their true identity? Is keeping it in the closet the best policy?

Sounds like your god is a wuss. What kind of all powerful being:
1) has gender specific pronoun
2) cannot understand something... anything at all?

As for your other questions, you're so missing the bigger picture here.

MagnetMan · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Pyrotex

Dear Magneto Dude,
I just cannot see any connection between statements like this and your original goal, which was to make a documentary. If there were, then your questions would be FAR more specific and to the point. But they aren't. Your questions and comments are very vague and general and all-inclusive.
The big problem is, there exists a sexual subculture that considers incest to be extremely erotic. Can you say anything that would assure us that your intentions here are noble?

My nobility extends back for thousands of generations. My concern is with the children who have no choice in this matter. Incest is a reality. Stigmatizing it, in my opinion, does not help the problem. I am asking what you think should be done about it. It is obvious what I think. But my view is worthless alone. The only view that is worth while documenting is that of a majority consensus. Right now I do not know if the majority even knows why it is against it. The issue has remained out of sight as far as I know. This fact intersts me professdionally as well as morally. Your two cents worth together with that of others eventually and hopefully adds up to something that I can report on.

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Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

Sounds like your god is a wuss. What kind of all powerful being:
1) has gender specific pronoun
2) cannot understand something... anything at all?

He may be a wuss but I don't think so.
I know He is a he because I know who my Mother Goddess is.
If He understood all things, He would have gotten bored long ago.

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As for your other questions, you're so missing the bigger picture here.

Do tell. I'd hate to miss the main show.

Pyrotex · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

My nobility extends back for thousands of generations. My concern is with the children who have no choice in this matter. Incest is a reality. Stigmatizing it, in my opinion, does not help the problem. I am asking what you think should be done about it. ....

Okay. This is sounding just a tad messianic, but I'll risk an answer or two.
We have de-criminilized being a "bastard" -- being born of an unwed mother.
We should do the same for children who are the product of incest. There is no reason at all that they should suffer in any way for something so far out of their control.
On the flip side, I still believe that any sex with children (incest or otherwise) is wrong, wrong, wrong, no matter how precocious or physically mature they may or may not be. You do the crime, you do the time.

Tormod · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

You are quite at liberty, as are all others, not to contribute to this thread. Not even God can be purely objective when documenting the vagaries of human behavior.

This response is dodgy. Cedars is in her right to ask for any kind of documentation that you are actually working on a project. You questions are provocative, and you yourself says so.

Whether someone contributes or not is not up to you. Please provide us with some more information about your project before you take this discussion further. Why are you doing it, and what is the aim of the project?

MagnetMan · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by Tormod

Please provide us with some more information about your project before you take this discussion further. Why are you doing it, and what is the aim of the project?

Let me requote an answer already posted.

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

My concern is with the children who have no choice in this matter. Incest is a reality. Stigmatizing it, in my opinion, does not help the problem. I am asking what you think should be done about it. It is obvious what I think. But my view is worthless alone. The only view that is worth while documenting is that of a majority consensus. Right now I do not know if the majority even knows why it is against it. The issue has remained out of sight as far as I know. This fact intersts me professdionally as well as morally. Your two cents worth together with that of others eventually and hopefully adds up to something that I can report on.

What I do with it, should I decide to go ahead with massive expense of poducing it, depends on the station might be interested. Right now, unless I see some definate pattern emerging, the dispirit views are not worth broadcasting

pgrmdave · 04-03-2006

I don't think that consensual incest is morally wrong in the same way that murder, or rape, is wrong. However, I do think it is wrong in that should a child be produced, that child has a much greater chance of having a genetic disorder. I understand that I am not entirely consistent in my views, in that I wouldn't bar two people with the same genetic disorder from copulating, but I think that it is reasonable to expect that people would look outside their own family for erotic love.

InfiniteNow · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

He may be a wuss but I don't think so.
I know He is a he because I know who my Mother Goddess is.
If He understood all things, He would have gotten bored long ago.

Glad to hear you have such a personal relationship with god. In all HIS glory... like he's some humanoid creature.

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

Do tell. I'd hate to miss the main show.

Explained already in the first response of this thread.

Tormod · 04-03-2006

Your reply is not satisfactory, and does not say what you intend to do with the material you collect. If you wish to use our forums for collecting scientific data, please be open about what it it will be used for, and how.

You are fronting incest as a perfectly acceptable phenomenon, something which is a legal opinion to hold but incest is a highly illegal act to carry out (no matter what your opinion about it is).

There may be members here who are deeply offended at your posts and particularly at your defence of people who commit incest.

Whether the replies you get are "dispiriting" is of no interest to me. I am concerned about your extreme bias in this issue. It seems to me that you are asking for information that is in support of incest. It is something that will not be accepted here.

I therefore ask for a justification for the existence of this thread, or I will ask the administrators to delete it.

Pyrotex · 04-03-2006

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Originally Posted by MagnetMan

...Right now I do not know if the majority even knows why it is against it...

What is the referent of the second "it" in your quote above?
Are you asking why "the majority" is against "incest"?
I thought your intention was to help the children who were stigmatized by being the products of incest.

Sorry, Magneto Dude, but you are not playing a straight game with us. If you have ANY intentions of making a film or publishing research, then you have a specific list of questions to ask as an unbiased instrument of your research.

Nobody doing real research drops into a forum of any kind, electronic or otherwise, and just asks, "I was hoping some of you folks would share with me any thoughts you might have on sex with large, good-looking, hot-to-trot barnyard animals".

Nah. It doesn't work that way. Either present your list of questions or ...