Islamic terror: the solution

[sebbysteiny]

Owing to the success of my last post where I believe we finally nailed what exactly peace and justice are and how they interrelate, I thought I might try a more immediately relevant post to see if we all our brains and information can come up with any constructive way of stopping Islamic terror.

In this post, there are infact three questions asked.
1) What is Islamic terror?
2) What is the real root cause of Islamic terror?
3) How do you stop Islamic terror?

I think question 3 is impossible until we have answered questions 1 and 2 so we should focus on 1 and 2 until we reach a consensus and then move onto 3.

1) What is Islamic terror?
I believe Islamic terror is when people use the Koran and Islamic teachings but in a perverse way such as to justify killing 'infidel kuffar' (ie non muslim sc*m). I believe it is an entirely racist ideology based upon killing the 'enemies of Allah', 'the decendants of monkeys and pigs' who will all go to hell. They believe that were they to blow themselves up killing 'infidels', Mohammed will treat them well in the afterlife even though suicide is forbidden to Islam.

It is very similar to the crusades, except we are now in the 21st century and christian culture has developed significantly since.

According to fanatical doctrine, Britain, America, Spain, France, Israel, Russia, Austrailia and every other non muslim country is living on Muslim land. This is because they belong to 'allah' and not to the 'infidel kuffah' who live on it. The people of non muslim countries are thus all 'infedels' 'occupying' 'Muslim lands' and those 'Muslim lands' must be clensed of the 'infidels' by conversion or bloodshed so that the law of 'allah' will rule over the entire planet. Any Muslim that disagrees with this docrine has become a 'kuffar' himself and becomes a legitimate, or 'holy' target target.

Take nazism. Multiply it by 10. You get the mind of an Islamic terrorists.

However, what's more, fanatical Muslims have learnt to speak in a forked tongue. They say one thing to themselves and to other Muslims, but a completely different thing to outsiders. Some have even gone as far calling in English for co operation between Muslims and non-Muslims but then, when they are in privite and / or speaking Arabic, they try to pursuade otherwise moderate Muslims to dedicate their lives to killing 'infidels' for 'allah'.

2) What causes people to have such perverse views.

It is my view that there is something inherrent in moderate Islamic culture that allows fanaticism to breed like in no other culture.

My argument is based on many states having been poor, and many 'desparate', and many have had unthinkable human tragedies forced apon it. Yet in today's world, there is only one region in which anything like as dangerous and evil as Islamic terror results.

I don't like this conclusion because it is not politically correct, but I see no alternative conclusion from the evidence.

[Edella]

Where is the solution?I just see a description of the problem.Your title is misleading.

[Mercedes Benzene]

Maybe sebbysteiny wants possible solutions....

If that is the case, I do not really see any solution to the problem.
The problem is in fact, based on mass-Islamic ideologies. As long as these beliefs exist, so will the terror.
It is unfortunate, but true... Unless there is some freak reformation of the religion (and such ideologies), then the terror and hatred will continue.

[Probable Uncertainty]

problem is with Islamic doctrine itself. Koran teaches this things, so to be Muslim a man must do this things. and it is alway a man, because a woman in Muslim is not worth same as man, but is only half of one man.

only two way to stop this is to reform Islam, same as happen with Christian, or to kill all Muslim.

[Roadam]

I think that koran and its teachings are no worse than bible, but in islamic world a few individuals still have very high position, they tell what people must do and so on. It is like church thousand years ago. Maybe just a little diffrent.

And another thing, how is that they beleive in such things as dying for god. I myself doubt that god really exist, so how could I kill for him? I doubt that church has any role in modern soceity.

So undermine their church, let them develop to the same level as we, teach them equality.... I think that that would gradually stop any terror.

[jamongo]

Some bit of light might be shed on this discussion if one takes a concentrated look at the people themselves. The balance of wealth in most Arab countries is very much lop-sided. If a man has little or nothing to live for, it should become easier to convince him that the afterlife would be a paradise if he died for his religious beliefs. In addition to this, many of the terrorists are assured that their families would be well taken care of. So, what does he have to lose?
An interesting statistic would be to assemble the names of those that have blown themselves up while murdering others. Then place alongside their names, their financial condition. I would guess, and I stress the word "guess", that there are very very few wealthy men on the list. If any at all.
So perhaps a possible solution might be to raise the standard of living across the board, by sharing the wealth of the planet more equally.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by Roadam

I think that koran and its teachings are no worse than bible, but in islamic world a few individuals still have very high position, they tell what people must do and so on. It is like church thousand years ago. Maybe just a little diffrent.

I really don't see a distinction, and I'd disagree that its "Nazism times ten" as Sebby says above. Religion is like a gun, it can be dangerous mostly because of the way that people *choose* to use it (and I'll say right now, its probably not a good idea to bring up the "so lets ban religion" thead here: its been beaten to death and its not practical...). Radical Islamic Clerics may seem slightly more numerous now, but Christiandom has its own dark history of preachers advocating lynchings, Nazism, Aparteid, as well as Hindu Caste enforcement, etc. And of course there are the non-religious-religious movements like the 60s/70s radical Communist movements (that are still around in idyllic places like Peru and Nepal!).

Terrorism is Terrorism is Terrorism. To the extent that *dogma* of *any kind* is a radicalizing force, you can point fingers but miss the real cause, which almost always comes down to some sort of disenfranchisement or feeling (real or imagined) of persecution by "others."

Conservatives have been bashing this notion of "understanding" with great relish recently, lading to some pretty remarkably illogical conclusions (e.g. Bill O'Reilly saying that to solve the problems in Iraq, you need to run it like Saddam did, so why exactly *did* we invade?). Unfortunately, its not that we need to coddle and appease the radicals, what we need to do is steal their thunder by "winning the hearts and minds" of he folks in the middle. Radical solutions to radical problems often make things worse...

I'll come back with some "solutions" later, but I wanted to try to influence the direction this thread seems to be taking....

Crusade charade,
Buffy

[Edella]

A nice recent study from the Pew research center entitled,The Great Divide: How Westerners and Muslims View Each Other http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=253
If part of the solution is changing peoples attitudes,we have a lot of work to do...

[Tormod]

Sebbysteiny, your post reeks of oneuppism and idiocy. It is nothing but racism and undocumented dribble - which is the same as fanaticism in my honest opinion.

So it's the 21st century and Christianity has developed? Into what, exactly? I suggest reading the Guantanamo Bay thread for a nice example of what a "Christian" country does.

Like Buffy says, terrorism is terrorism, no matter what. There is no justification for it. It has no color, really.

I recommend that you start backing up your claims with some documentation (multiply Nazism by ten? Man do you know no decency?).

Most Muslims are average joes and janes, just like the rest of us on this rocky outcrop of the solar system. They just happen to live in countries ravaged by dictatorship, religious fanaticism, and Western colonialism.

There is no excuse for terrorism. And there is no excuse for using terrorism as a case in point to generalize about a couple of billion people on Earth.

[Mercedes Benzene]

Most Muslims are average joes and janes, just like the rest of us on this rocky outcrop of the solar system. They just happen to live in countries ravaged by dictatorship, religious fanaticism, and Western colonialism.

Mhmmm. Tormod is right. It always seems to be the case that the behaviors of few, end up representing a group of people as a whole.
That idea is demonstrated many times throughout history... and it is very unfortunate.