Hypnosis and the nature of suggestion

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by pamela

Now the really strange part. They all started to look at my friend and I. All eyes were on us,as we were not partaking of the mood.Now i gotta tell you, that was the most creepiest thing i have ever felt, and i began to think that this crazed mob might take us out.Not sure how we managed, but we got the hell out of there.

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For some reason, you're post made me think of this movie.

[pamela]

is that shawn of the dead? yikes!
no, my reality was much creepier

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by pamela

is that shawn of the dead? yikes!
no, my reality was much creepier

Creepier than zombies?!

Oh, I guess it's the same thing basically.

What allows this to happen on a massive level, unconsciously? Anyone know?

[alexander]

Originally Posted by moon

Hypnosis is completely voluntary, if you do not want to be hypnotized you cannot be.

as i have said, that is correct, however you don't have to want to be hypnotized to be hypnotized is what i was trying to say, and if you dont know you are being hypnotized, you can be hypnotized against your will, per say...

[Michael Mooney]

As one who's father was a master hypnotist and as one who uses hypnosis in my longstanding practice as a transpersonal psychologist (my thread on TP was not allowed in the psychology section for some reason and now locked... see "feedback" thread)... I can say with the confidence of many years of experience... the following:

All religion is mass hypnosis, and all sense of personal identity is the hypnosis of culture in all its aspects.

This is the essence of transpersonal psychology: Transcending all beliefs including religion and who you think you are.

If anyone is interested in further explanation, please ask.

Michael

[pamela]

Originally Posted by michael

As one who's father was a master hypnotist and as one who uses hypnosis in my longstanding practice as a transpersonal psychologist (my thread on TP was not allowed in the psychology section for some reason and now locked... see "feedback" thread)... I can say with the confidence of many years of experience...

sounds like you have indentified yourself here

All religion is mass hypnosis

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well that is a little extreme-would you say that the individual who only reads a particular text and has not heard the spoken word concerning it, is hypnotized by it?

and all sense of personal identity is the hypnosis of culture in all its aspects.

have you been hypnotized into believing that you are a psychologist and thus identifying yourself with that aspect of culture?

This is the essence of transpersonal psychology: Transcending all beliefs including religion and who you think you are.

Michael, individuality and the varying sense of who we are among the masses, is what makes this world an exciting place. Why would we want to change that and all become part of a single identity? there would be no lively rhetoric, only the monotonous drivel of a collective thought begotten by hypnosis to simply exist

[Michael Mooney]

Pamela,
I answered your questions about personal identity as contrasted with liberation from the cultural programing (read "hypnosis) called "my separate identity"... "this is who I am"... etc. repeatedly in the transpersonal psychology thread... all those posts on "enlightenment/liberation."

sounds like you have identified yourself here

"I" use the convention of speaking in first person singular, like everyone else. This does not mean that I buy into the belief that "I am what I do" All those quotes by enlightened ones in the TP thread are examples of those who have transcended personal Identity. They all say the same thing in different ways in this regard. The most familiar in this culture is probably the quote attributed to Jesus," I and the Creator are one."
(Knowing/realizing this is Way different that merely "believing" it.)

well that is a little extreme-would you say that the individual who only reads a particular text and has not heard the spoken word concerning it, is hypnotized by it?

Yes, if it becomes his/her belief system. All belief systems are programs regardless of how the programing (read conditioning or hypnosis) is done.
Liberation is de-programing from all belief systems (all hypnosis.). What is left is the realization of the one omnipresent identity in all. Some realize it.... (it is often called enlightenment)... most don't.
This is the subject matter of transpersonal psychology.

have you been hypnotized into believing that you are a psychologist and thus identifying yourself with that aspect of culture?

As above. This individual practices psychology. I am consciousness, and it has no limits. (This is not the same as omniscience, which no individual has.)

Michael, individuality and the varying sense of who we are among the masses, is what makes this world an exciting place. Why would we want to change that and all become part of a single identity? there would be no lively rhetoric, only the monotonous drivel of a collective thought begotten by hypnosis to simply exist

You misunderstand the nature of liberation/enlightenment. It does not obliterate the uniqueness of the individual but rather enhances all "gifts" of the individual. For instance there is no fear after enlightenment, so all that kind of energy is "liberated" for love (in all its manifestations) intelligence and creativity

Michael

[pamela]

Originally Posted by michael

Pamela,
I answered your questions about personal identity as contrasted with liberation from the cultural programing (read "hypnosis) called "my separate identity"... "this is who I am"... etc. repeatedly in the transpersonal psychology thread... all those posts on "enlightenment/liberation

well i am aware of that michael, but not everyone has read that thread that might be reading this one

You misunderstand the nature of liberation/enlightenment. It does not obliterate the uniqueness of the individual but rather enhances all "gifts" of the individual. For instance there is no fear after enlightenment, so all that kind of energy is "liberated" for love (in all its manifestations) intelligence and creativity

had you worded this as such in the other thread, then i would have understood.Thank you michael for the clarity and also yet another opportunity to engage you in discussion

[Michael Mooney]

Thank you michael for the clarity and also yet another opportunity to engage you in discussion

Thank you, Pamela, for your interest and much appreciated friendly reply.
It occurred to me that it might seem ironic/confusing that I use hypnosis in my practice yet aspire to liberate my clients from the "hypnosis of belief"... whether religious or cultural conditioning of personal identity.

It is ironic, but one way to transcend ones "life script" based on "personal identity" is to go into a deep hypnosis in which one transcends all attachment to "my movie"... sort of watching it from a balcony seat. With the post-hypnotic suggestion that they will remember that detachment/transcendence after hypnosis, they get a feeling for it that can be integrated into everyday life. They often have a new sense of freedom to "write their own script" so to speak, rather than just following the old cultural hypnosis of "This is who I am. This is what I want/need. To the extent my needs are not fulfilled I am unhappy"... etc.

I also teach meditation... to the same result. This without the imagery but just being still and realizing that consciousness (awareness) transcends what we are conscious/aware of... i.e., that consciousness transcends all content.
Then happiness is felt to reside in consciousness itself... just *being* rather than being dependent upon "doing" or"favorable circumstances/results of that doing... whatever the content of what we are experiencing.

Hope this is helpful in understanding how I use hypnosis in my practice.
Michael

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by alexander

as i have said, that is correct, however you don't have to want to be hypnotized to be hypnotized is what i was trying to say, and if you dont know you are being hypnotized, you can be hypnotized against your will, per say...

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, but I will say again a person who doesn't want to be hypnotized cannot be hypnotized. Can you give me an example of hypnosis against a persons own will?