Bigotry, is there a fair test for it?

[Larv]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

...which clearly shows that, yes, a homosexual can very well be a bigot, as well.

This is true and already well demonstrated in other threads.

The term "bigot", however, is being used too easily without considering the meaning of it. In many instances, those who bandy the term about are as intolerant and prejudiced as those they accuse of it. It has devolved into a knee-jerk reaction to taint the opposition's argument. So before you go about calling somebody a bigot, think very carefully about your own position and assumptions.

My bolding to emphasize the truth in this statement. I've seen more heterophobia than homophobia on these threads, especially when it comes down to therapies psychologists have available to treat confused adolescents.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Larv

I've seen more heterophobia than homophobia on these threads, especially when it comes down to therapies psychologists have available to treat confused adolescents.

So, you are now suggesting that people who argue for the accurate representation of what a scientific study is stating regarding the lack of effectiveness of a given treatment program are "bigoted" and they are "heterophobic" for doing so?

Interesting. Good to know. Thanks for calling that to my attention. I never knew that the drive for accuracy and academic integrity were the same as bigotry against heterosexuals. I guess you learn something new everyday.

[Larv]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

So, you are now suggesting that people who argue for the accurate representation of what a scientific study is stating regarding the lack of effectiveness of a given treatment program are "bigoted" and they are "heterophobic" for doing so?

Interesting. Good to know. Thanks for calling that to my attention. I never knew that the drive for accuracy and academic integrity were the same as bigotry against heterosexuals. I guess you learn something new everyday.

Infinite, there is no scientific study that proves that ALL trouble adolescents who question their sexualities are always gay. There is ostensively a gray area, a gap, wherein troubled adolescents flounder between their hetero tendencies and their homo tendencies. If you are so absolutely certain that ALL troubled adolescents who are uncertain about their sexual orientations are, in fact, gay or lesbian then please provide proof for your position.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Larv

Infinite, there is no scientific study that proves that ALL trouble adolescents who question their sexualities are always gay.
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If you are so absolutely certain that ALL troubled adolescents who are uncertain about their sexual orientations are, in fact, gay or lesbian then please provide proof for your position.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for, on my behalf, capitalizing the word which clearly demonstrates how you are arguing against a blatant strawman. It is much appreciated.

[Larv]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for, on my behalf, capitalizing the word which clearly demonstrates how you are arguing against a blatant strawman. It is much appreciated.

And I would like to compliment you for your clever smilies and utterly avoiding my challenge. Gaps or no gaps, Mr. Infinite?

[Theory5]

Hmm, it might just be me but I am having trouble following this conversation. As defined earlier in this thread, a bigot can be

a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.

Why would homosexuals be bigots? All they want is fair treatment and rights to marry, just like everbody else has. Isnt this country supposed to promote Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? I mean, it says it in the constitution (which we dont seem to follow anymore...) and if living your life married to the same gender will make you happy, go right ahead. This country also grants us liberty right? Freedom right? So when somebody denies you the right to marry just because they read a book that was written thousands of years ago (and we dont even know if it was intented to be non-fiction!) and then they decide they are right and everybody else is wrong. The people who want what they are told they can have are not bigots, they are just people who want to live their lives in happiness. And who are you to say that they cant?


I think you are posting under a misconceptiion here... :-)

[pamela]

a rose by any other name......
a thread that bears the same

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by Theory5

Hmm, it might just be me but I am having trouble following this conversation. As defined earlier in this thread, a bigot can be

Why would homosexuals be bigots? All they want is fair treatment and rights to marry, just like everbody else has. Isnt this country supposed to promote Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness? I mean, it says it in the constitution (which we dont seem to follow anymore...) and if living your life married to the same gender will make you happy, go right ahead. This country also grants us liberty right? Freedom right? So when somebody denies you the right to marry just because they read a book that was written thousands of years ago (and we dont even know if it was intented to be non-fiction!) and then they decide they are right and everybody else is wrong. The people who want what they are told they can have are not bigots, they are just people who want to live their lives in happiness. And who are you to say that they cant?


I think you are posting under a misconceptiion here... :-)

Be careful about arguing from a strawman. Your statement implies that if I begin having sex with men that I will become a perfectly reasonable person who never exercises emotional or irrational misconceptions. A homosexual can be as much a bigot as anyone else.

Bill

[Larv]

Originally Posted by pamela

a rose by any other name......
a thread that bears the same

pamela, what is wrong about trying to come up with a fair test for bigotry? This is a science forum, ya know.

[pamela]

you are funny larv,
or did you just happen to overlook the exchange between you an infinite? same ole thread just a new name

okay larv, what test would you suggest?
and what criteria do you deem fair?
lets just leave the other threads out of this one okay?