I'm biulding a Hydrogen generater , are you interested?

DanGray · 09-02-2008

I'm building a on demand Hydrogen generator though in the past it was not feasible to do this, but now it is with the technology we have today, this unit takes only 3 amps or less to operate and on 12V

I have the plans for it and by looking at them I'm sure it will work , I also know of a guy that had built one of these and is saving now on his fuel costs in his car, by like 40% , the one I want to build , you can use it for fuel also in a propane grill .. and if you can do that you should be able to heat your home with it also ( more than one or a bigger one)..the uses are un-limited.

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is there anyone here interested in this that can build a circuit board ground up..
it will be a unit to produce
duel oscillating generating square wave voltage,
I have access to an
oscilloscope to tweak the unit once assembled..
if I can get some one to build the circuitry, I can build the rest , and I will share all the plans with the interested person that can do this with me....

Nitack · 09-02-2008

Whether for use in your car, or for a grill, or for generating power for your house, you will ultimately put more energy into the system than you get out.

The only way this will actually help you is if you use something like a solar panel to produce the hydrogen. Even then, you will not get that much. On top of that, you will generally need a fuel cell to get any real energy out of the system, which requires very expensive materials, namely platinum.

How about you elaborate on the design a bit...

DanGray · 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Nitack

Whether for use in your car, or for a grill, or for generating power for your house, you will ultimately put more energy into the system than you get out.

The only way this will actually help you is if you use something like a solar panel to produce the hydrogen. Even then, you will not get that much. On top of that, you will generally need a fuel cell to get any real energy out of the system, which requires very expensive materials, namely platinum.

How about you elaborate on the design a bit...

this unit sounds a bit better than that..
I'm very limited on what I can post here because of lack of use
I need to have posted 10 times it seems to post links here ..
I'll post a few more time and post a link to a forum that this subject has started now..

Nitack · 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by DanGray

this unit sounds a bit better than that..
I'm very limited on what I can post here because of lack of use
I need to have posted 10 times it seems to post links here ..
I'll post a few more time and post a link to a forum that this subject has started now..

Well I'll elaborate a bit on why any unit is probably inefficient while you build your post count

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Lets say it is one of those things that say "Run your car on water!" Well, you need electricity to split hydrogen out of water (conventionally, or you can do it with radio waves as we discovered, see "Kanzius Effect"). Your car does produce electricity via the alternator while it is running. However if you try to extract additional electricity your alternator will draw more mechanical energy from the engine to do so. In order to provide the mechanical energy your car will consume more gasoline. Also, consider this, every time you convert energy from one form to another you lose energy. No conversion is 100% efficient. rather than the 1 conversion a car normally makes (chemical energy from the gasoline to mechanical energy), you are making four conversions (chemical to mechanical to electrical to chemical (hydrogen) back to mechanical).

Same, but more simplified reasoning for home use. You will use more energy from the wall outlet splitting hydrogen than you will get from the hydrogen as a fuel source.

That all being said... If you used a solar panel to produce hydrogen, the only input is sunlight (free and relatively unlimited), and the output is a usable fuel. Once again though, the more you convert the energy around, the more you will lose.

DanGray · 09-02-2008

well for one I do know these do work in cars so that is not a concern
an auto Alt, most of them take ~ 5 hp to run and that's at full load. we talking
80-100 amp..

this unit, it's said takes up to 3 amp DC that's not much
yes as what you are saying the old types did take a lot of juice to run..

unless you've worked with one of the new square wave units I'm not sure you can help me here.. but any way here is the link to the forum I' started this on one of the guys is using one of the generators but not the one I'm building but his is working... mine it's say to work on your grill and such also..
I think it's one that will be more effective and that's in the way it's built..
a Hydrogen generator , fuel for a forge (;>)) I need help - BladeForums.com
you may have to reg ( free) to get to the link.. thanks for your input Dan

Nitack · 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by DanGray

well for one I do know these do work in cars so that is not a consern
an auto Alt, most of them take ~ 5 hp to run and that's at full load. we talking
80-100 amp..

this unit, it's said takes up to 3 amp DC that's not much
yes as what you are saying the old types did take a lot of juice to run..

No matter the efficiency of the alternator, you can not get out more energy than you put in. It would violate the First Law of Thermodynamics. Even if the conversion was 100% efficient in converting electricity from your alternator to hydrogen, you would still lose gas millage from the added weight of the water (no matter how little water you needed to carry). It is a gimmick

DanGray · 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Nitack

No matter the efficiency of the alternator, you can not get out more energy than you put in. It would violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Even if the conversion was 100% efficient in converting electricity from your alternator to hydrogen, you would still lose gas millage from the added weight of the water (no matter how little water you needed to carry). It is a gimmick

sounds like a bad law to me.. haha

sorry you'll have to tell that to the guys that it's working for..
I know some of these guys.. I'm just looking for a more efective one, it's not a mater of it not working , they do at lease some of them..

Nitack · 09-02-2008

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Originally Posted by DanGray

sorry you'll have to tell that to the guys that it's working for..
I know the some of these guys.. Ilm just looking for a more efective one, it's not a mater of it not working , they do at lease some of them..

I looked at the link. They are using their household electric to produce the hydrogen.