perception of time

[Tormod]

Carlos, long time no see!

Tormod

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Tormod
Carlos, long time no see!

Tormod

So you've been through this before. Is he in the least capable of simple reasoning or is this going to be a twisted ride? I can't believe the mumbo jumbo I read in this reply! Some nonsense about a clock and the wind?

Originally posted by: carlosncarlos
Reality is perceived by our sensors and we learn about the physical universe thanks to them.

Have you ever heard of Optical Illusions? Ever watched a magician? Our "sensors" are notoriously famous for mis-informing us. The hand IS quicker than the eye.

Just listen how the weather man

You have an incredible fixation with simple things around you.

still mentioning the words "when the Sun arises...the Sun sets..."...such words are nothing but acceptable illusions...a common error...a misunderstanding of reality by many.

Actually they are very efficient at conveying a thought. It is a well established convention with a very specific meaning. It is not an "illusion", it is an "illustration". A very well defined symbolic representation.

The ones who know how to recognize reality...just smile and accept those words knowing that the Sun never arises or set but that is the Earth which rotates and from our point of view our perception lead us to see the Sun as a small body arising and setting far away in the horizon.

And those that don't have a problem with reality accept and understand what is intended when some one referes to a sun rise. After all, it can be short for "as the sun's position on the horizon rises", thus sun rise!

Lol, that is how motion is defined, throw the object to someone and his complaint

You have an incredible fixation with simple things around you.

will show you that there is not illusion but real motion involved in it.

I see, so thowing a ball at someone when they are not looking, disproves QM! I see!
You have an incredible fixation with simple things around you.

About subatomic levels...come on...just use the appropiate instruments and you will see atoms moving everywhere.

It's that easy? WOW!

Then you will have no problem providing a web site which shows us these images of particles as motion.

I can;t wait to see them!

[Uncle Martin]

[quote]
Originally posted by: Freethinker

"Prove "motion". "

Isn't all matter always in motion? The observed and observer may travel at equal speed and direction, but my logic tells me no matter in the universe is ever stationary.

[carlosncarlos]

So you've been through this before. Is he in the least capable of simple reasoning or is this going to be a twisted ride? I can't believe the mumbo jumbo I read in this reply! Some nonsense about a clock and the wind?

Instead of replying in such infantile style, please explain how clocks measure your imaginary passage of time...wait...I will prepare some popcorn and cold sodas...the comedy show presented by you in your explanation promises to be good...

Reality is perceived by our sensors and we learn about the physical universe thanks to them.(Carlos & Carlos)

Have you ever heard of Optical Illusions? Ever watched a magician? Our "sensors" are notoriously famous for mis-informing us. The hand IS quicker than the eye.

Yes, I saw myself such optical illusions, but I know that such are tricks made by the magician. That is the way how I discovered The Perceptional Law, by understanding the differencve between reality and misinterpretation of reality. As I know that the magician is doing tricks and that illusions make you believe that doves disappear from inside a hat or similar, I am an adult with understanding of reality. Taking this analogy to the belief that time is a physical dimension (the magician tricks), everyone who believes that time is a physical dimension is a child who falls in the trick with his mouth opened...

Just listen how the weather man(Carlos & Carlos)

You have an incredible fixation with simple things around you.

You might be correct, but I use common and daily events to prove things...and such evidence is valid as any other event in the outerspace or subatomic particles...

still mentioning the words "when the Sun arises...the Sun sets..."...such words are nothing but acceptable illusions...a common error...a misunderstanding of reality by many.(Carlos & Carlos)

Actually they are very efficient at conveying a thought. It is a well established convention with a very specific meaning. It is not an "illusion", it is an "illustration". A very well defined symbolic representation.

Sure, right...the weather man is talking to the general public as if the public is formed by children only and there is the need to mix fantasies with reality so everybody can understand what they see in the mornings and evenings... I don't know about your background, but for sure your reply shows inmaturity. If such is a established convention...such convention stinks...we are not in Medieval eras, we are living a new era in where technology and reality must walk together...such conventions make brutish people...

Why not mentioning by the weather men that "angels will make pee pee tomorrow's afternoon" instead of saying "it will be raining tomorrow afternoon" in their predictions too?...such should be a nice "illustration" as well...

I see, so thowing a ball at someone when they are not looking, disproves QM! I see!

You have an incredible fixation with simple things around you.

Lol, I can tell you hat the cat inside the box can die from a heart attack and by such, the unfamous Schrodinger's cat experiment stops being a dualistic thought: the cat will come out alive or the cat will be found dead because the poison killed him.

About subatomic levels...come on...just use the appropiate instruments and you will see atoms moving everywhere.(Carlos & Carlos)

[quote]
It's that easy? WOW!

Then you will have no problem providing a web site which shows us these images of particles as motion.

I can;t wait to see them!</blockquote

[Freethinker]

Boy, where do I start? How about his obvious refusal to provide supprt for his claims. He KNOWS he has nothing to show for support, so he tries to put the burden on others..

Originally posted by: carlosncarlos

Excuse me, but who told you that such images "have" to be recorded in the web? Anyway, just go to Google search, write subatomic motion images, and lots of web sites shall appear,

So you openly admit that if there were such a thing, Google would have "lots of web sites"

But first, we know the web has information, including pictures and diagrams on ANY scientific finding. There are an incredible number of resources on the web that provide details, with pictures of every scientific theory that has any substance whatsoever.

So yes you are right. If "subatomic motion" existed, there would be inmages of it on the web. THus I did EXACTLY what you said, I did a Google search for "subatomic motion images".

Now let's see which side Google provides PROOF for:

"Your search - " subatomic motion images" - did not match any documents. "

[carlosncarlos]

Originally posted by: Freethinker

Boy, where do I start? How about his obvious refusal to provide supprt for his claims. He KNOWS he has nothing to show for support, so he tries to put the burden on others...

So you openly admit that if there were such a thing, Google would have "lots of web sites"...

But first, we know the web has information, including pictures and diagrams on ANY scientific finding. There are an incredible number of resources on the web that provide details, with pictures of every scientific theory that has any substance whatsoever.

So yes you are right. If "subatomic motion" existed, there would be inmages of it on the web. THus I did EXACTLY what you said, I did a Google search for "subatomic motion images".

Now let's see which side Google provides PROOF for:

"Your search - " subatomic motion images" - did not match any documents. "

I feel sorry for you because you have a very cheap internet connection, in my computer's screen appear lots of references about subatomic motion when I click the Search buttom for the words "subatomic motion images" in Google.

The first reference opens this web site www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/patterns.htm

The secondc reference opens this address http://www.basd.net/technology/STEEP...sKnowAndDo.htm

There lots of pages to surf...don't get drowsy with the waves...

[carlosncarlos]

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Tormod, nice to be here again...

Please accept my respect and I'll hope that the conversations here guide us to the benefit of Science.