[BEAKER]

Originally Posted by GAHD

(really tiny iron fileings suspended in oil).

Sounds messy!

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by GAHD

I'm guessing that picture was taken with the magnet below the table, pole-up?

iron fileings have always been my favorite thing to play with for magnetic experiments, but I'd like th get my hands on some of that ferro-fluid they've got now (really tiny iron fileings suspended in oil).

Argh! Welcome ye urly pirate!

The magnet in the images: actually it's not a photo; I placed the entire thing on my scanner. The 'table' is a plastic cutting mat. the magnet is in direct contact with the mat. For the 'roundy' arrangement of pins the magnet is on a face & for the 'straighty' scan arrangement the magnet is on a long (3 1/2") edge.
I have no filings yet, but I intend to secure them to further examine the 'field' . I will BRB & edit in a definition of a field that Puff used.
Onward!

Promised definition of a 'field':
Penguin Publishers. DICTIONARY OF SCIENCE
"Field - The region in which an electrically charged body (see electric field), a magnetized body (see magnetic field), or a massive body (see gravitational field) excerts its influence,. There may also be said to be a field between nucleons in extremely close proximity (less than 10-13 cm) as a result of exchange forces. A field is thus a model for representing the way in which a force can exist between bodies not in contact."

[Drosera]

It's always been my understanding that whenever 2 opposite poles react with each other, a sort of magnetic "friction" occurs. This friction causes the domains to slowly unalign themselves, effectively reducing the power of the magnet. In time of course, the magnets would become demagnetized, rendering them useless for work, unless remagnetized again.

Assuming I'm right, you cannot build a perpetual motion machine using magnets. On the other hand, depending on the work load you give the magnets, it may be a very long time, for all I know, before they lose their magnetic potentials and stop working.

Anyone agree?

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by Drosera

It's always been my understanding that whenever 2 opposite poles react with each other, a sort of magnetic "friction" occurs. This friction causes the domains to slowly unalign themselves, effectively reducing the power of the magnet. In time of course, the magnets would become demagnetized, rendering them useless for work, unless remagnetized again.

Assuming I'm right, you cannot build a perpetual motion machine using magnets. On the other hand, depending on the work load you give the magnets, it may be a very long time, for all I know, before they lose their magnetic potentials and stop working.

Anyone agree?

Yes & no. You qualify by saying 'for all I know' which means you don't know. We only intend now to experiment & the 2 magnets is coming later. You mention friction, but that is accompanied by heat & I assure you I don't have the equipment to measure the heat of the magnets.
___We now want concrete observations on the scans. Knowing what is there, describe what you see. For example, in the 'roundy' shape pattern, I spy with my little eye, that all the pins have lined up in such a way that they all point to the same small area. Now someone else go.

PS As with all experiments, use the proper safety precautions; gloves, or glasses, etc.

[BEAKER]

Here's an old protoype that didn't work. I'll explain it later. - but I learned a few things from it.



I'm not sure why I can't get this any bigger.

Click on it for larger image.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by BEAKER

Here's an old protoype that didn't work. I'll explain it later. - but I learned a few things from it.

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I'm not sure why I can't get this any bigger.

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Very cool Beaker! I see your craftsmanship. I bet your son could tell us how it works; lucky boy to have a dad like you. One of the Hypography screens proclaims 'Hypography;Science For Everyone'. I often forget that you & Irish & others have your children gathered round you when you log in here. What you started with this thread & what we have now going from it is science for everyone & that includes the children. This not a childish thing as the title implies; this is a child-like thing to say show me or, lets try it out.
___Please do describe your equipment as well as what you all & the kids 'see' from the scans of the pins.
Eye spy with my little i.

[BEAKER]

Originally Posted by Turtle

Please do describe ...what you all & the kids 'see' from the scans of the pins.
Eye spy with my little i.

The poles of the magnet are on the short sides, not on the face.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by BEAKER

The poles of the magnet are on the short sides, not on the face.

Excellent. Now when you say 'poles' that is because you have learned what a pole is; a pole is one or the other of the ends of a straight line. So now rephrase your observational statement like this: The [ends of a straight line] of the magnet are on the short side.

Now to make this observation you must compare one image to the other, the edge to the face. The angle of the difference between a face and an edge is 90 degrees, or per se a right angle.
I observed that all the pins in the face arrangement align them selves to a kind of middle. This middle line is the very same line we called poles. On the face then, each pin is 90 degrees from the pole line, or per se at right angles to it.
Now where is the 90 degrees of the pins in the edge arrangement relative to that pesky pole line? The pins 'cross' the line at right angles.
Again Beaker! Again! Tell us what you see now.

[BEAKER]

Click on it for larger image.

There are neodidium magnets within the PVC caps on the four "claw" looking (hammers) - each with the same pole facing downward.. They are supended by pivots and springs above a PVC tube/shaft with other neodidium magnets inside.

Inside the long tube/shaft are the magnets with the opposite pole to the hammers facing outward in progressive 90 degree positions, mounted to a 1/2" threaded rod runing through the center.

The idea was that the shaft would turn to polarize with the manet in the hammer above, which would recoil after bouncing off a spring at the point of greatest magnetic intensity.

After bouncing off; the next hammer would attract the next magnet which is 90 degrees from the last one... Then the next ...then the next... then the first, second, third, fourth; first, second, third, fourth; first, second, third, fourth; first, second, third, fourth; first, second, third, fourth; - "perpetually".

The problem was that (the) hammer would not "bounce" far enough away to allow the (next) hammer to act upon the next set of magnets in the shaft.

So once a magnetic "bond" was established between one set, the (next) set could not break the bond of the first set.

[Turtle]

Originally Posted by BEAKER

There are neodidium magnets within the PVC caps on the four "claw" looking (hammers) - each with the same pole facing downward.. They are supended by pivots and springs above a PVC tube/shaft with other neodidium magnets inside.

Inside the long tube/shaft are the magnets with the opposite pole to the hammers facing outward in progressive 90 degree positions, mounted to a 1/2" threaded rod runing through the center.

"perpetually".

The problem was that (the) hammer would not "bounce" far enough away to allow the (next) hammer to act upon the next set of magnets in the shaft.

So once a magnetic "bond" was established between one set, the (next) set could not break the bond of the first set.

Sweet; Beaker used hammers! Hey, speaking of hammers & magnets, what do you get when you break a magnet in 2? Why, two magnets of course. I am grinning ear to ear Beaker.
___ You clearly have the gist of rotation of the magnets on a pole line themselves, visa vi multiple magnets arranged in a tube. As I have just come to understand the nature of the hole by way of the unified field theory as written by Kent Robertson & put up here. The point is, I think I have just learned something new & I am anxious to experiment with it.
I think you have the right idea, but I haven't learned enough yet to say how your particular orientations of things in the machine interact.
__Turtle Over

PS I read this work & have assumed it is true & now I am testing that out in comparison to all the other things I have let into the 'assumed it is true' category.
http://hypography.com/forums/website...ry-part-i.html