Perpetual motion

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by BGal

You are living on a perpertial motion machine everyday of your life

Nope. The fact that scientists have to make adjustments to time keeping periodically to adjust for Earth slowing down is evidence that the Earth is not a perpetual motion machine.

[captain_90]

BGal, you are correct about running into a brick wall, I've tried as well. One must remember that the world revolves around politics, greed and the almighty TAXES. When we do master free energy, we also threaten our country's economic engine. We would no longer need fossil fuels. At that point, could you imagine the billions of dollars in revenue lost to the economy, not to mention the employment loss and the tax loss? That alone could cripple a country, or even total economic collaps. This is why we run into that brick wall.

One story I will tell knowing it to be true, I know the man who invented a new concept refrigorator engine. It is about 3/4 of the size of our standard model that we use in our homes today. This man brought the refrigoration device before the energy commission, which must be done for all appliances, prior to sales. The energy commision said that it was very nice, however he could not sell it in the USA because it did not use enough energy. This device would run on only 100 watts of power. Now is'nt that a shame? The man had no sale except in Mexico to start his buisiness.

It would'nt surprise me if there are Government officials that monitor this siite for potential threats to the economic engine. OH well,,,,,,,,,,,,, So what!!!!!!!!!

There will be a time it will be accepted, just as soon as the greed equation is taken out of the picture, or we can no longer breath or drink our water.

May the force be with you

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by captain_90

BGal, you are correct about running into a brick wall, I've tried as well. One must remember that the world revolves around politics, greed and the almighty TAXES. When we do master free energy, we also threaten our country's economic engine.

Um, actually, greed is the very thing that could push this thing forward! If you do have such a device it would be worth unbelievable amounts of money. I won't question the notion that the oil companies wouldn't like it, but there are even more companies that would *love* to find something like this. GE makes aircraft engines. The number one request *by far*from their customers is better fuel mileage. Can you imagine how many gazillions of dollars they'd make if they went with Boeing to the world and said: "those idiots at Airbus are doomed: we have an aircraft engine that requires *half* the fuel because we've incorporated this perpetual motion supermagnet thingy." While you may think that scientists would laugh this off, if tests showed that it actually got double the fuel mileage, you know what? NO ONE WOULD CARE! The almighty dollar trumps science any day! In fact it would be solid proof that the theory was wrong, and at least half the scientific community would rush to be the first to publish papers backing it up!

Originally Posted by captain_90

One story I will tell knowing it to be true, I know the man who invented a new concept refrigorator engine. ...This man brought the refrigoration device before the energy commission, which must be done for all appliances, prior to sales. The energy commision said that it was very nice, however he could not sell it in the USA because it did not use enough energy....

First, can you give us a reference on this? Second, energy commisions do not pass judgement on refrigerators. They might if you were trying to get an okay for a government program, but the only thing you need to sell an appliance in the US is insurance, and the insurance company will probably want you to get a certificate from Underwriters Labs to show that it won't cause a fire.

Originally Posted by captain_90

It would'nt surprise me if there are Government officials that monitor this siite for potential threats to the economic engine.....

Have they knocked on your door? What agency are they from? Do they wear RayBans and carry funky looking pens? Sorry for my cynicism, but I've found the government to be more like the Keystone Cops or the Gang-That-Couldn't-Shoot-Straight than Men-In-Black or the Matrix guys...Its *hard* to keep secrets, as Richard Nixon and a host of other "most powerful men in the world" have found out....

Cheers,
Buffy

[TeleMad]

Originally Posted by BGal

Laws of thermodynamics states that matter has energy and it cannot be created or destroyed but no where does it say that you cannot "use" its energy for long periods.

The second law of thermodynamics does say that for every reaction/process that occurs in an isolated system, the total usable energy in the system decreases. Not only can you not win, you can't break even!

BGal: All I can say is that there are 2 laws of thermodynamics law 1 and law 2 lets wait and see who discovers law 3.

What???? There are 4 laws of thermodynamics. Think it's time you picked up a physics book.

[BEAKER]

Originally Posted by BGal

PM is working well

Are you saying you have developed this?

[Smokinjoe9]

Perpetual motion has already been achieved by nature.


This is not a true statement according to science, nature will also see it's own end
My question is, what is forever? Is it a human lifetime or the lifetime of our universe, our galaxy, our sun, the Earth........So to say nature creates purpetual motion would be incorrect, would it not. If a magnetic PMM was created and would continue to go until the magnets died, is that not the same purpetual motion in nature ending with the demise of our solar system, universe...Well you get the idea.

[Smokinjoe9]

Originally Posted by Buffy

Um, actually, greed is the very thing that could push this thing forward!...

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Have they knocked on your door? What agency are they from? Do they wear RayBans and carry funky looking pens? Sorry for my cynicism, but I've found the government to be more like the Keystone Cops or the Gang-That-Couldn't-Shoot-Straight than Men-In-Black or the Matrix guys...Its *hard* to keep secrets, as Richard Nixon and a host of other "most powerful men in the world" have found out....

Cheers,
Buffy

Maybe what you get from the goverment is what they want you to.....[B]

[Smokinjoe9]

Originally Posted by TeleMad

It's not at all a perpetual motion machine. If you have bearings, then you have continual friction. If you have continual friction, then you have continual energy loss in your system. If you have continual energy loss in your system, then you must continually put energy into the system to keep it working.

As far as creating "free" enegy using gravity, have you ever heard of a hydroelectric power plant?

I think the word perpetual should be redefined, our world will not go on forever, so to say perpetual is to use a double standard. You cannot have an engine that will run forever in a world that is coming to an end.....

[Smokinjoe9]

Originally Posted by BEAKER

Long quote edited by Tormod

But neither my belief nor dissbelief changes the reality that if it really is possible; it won't be discovered by those who don't believe it can be.

Do not be disbanded by the laws of physics, they'll be revised in the next edition...In short, Science has been wrong before!

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by Smokinjoe9

Perpetual motion has already been achieved by nature.


This is not a true statement according to science, nature will also see it's own end
My question is, what is forever? Is it a human lifetime or the lifetime of our universe, our galaxy, our sun, the Earth........So to say nature creates purpetual motion would be incorrect, would it not. If a magnetic PMM was created and would continue to go until the magnets died, is that not the same purpetual motion in nature ending with the demise of our solar system, universe...Well you get the idea.

Where does science show or prove that there will ever be an end to everything? Newton's law of motion says that a body in motion will stay in motion until acted on by an external force. That is perpetual motion.