Perpetual motion

[lemit]

I've always thought that the traditional perpetual motion machine would be designed to produce the exact amount of energy it uses; in other words, a total efficiency machine.

I suspect we've already created machines that will run for 100 years. But pretty much anything beyond that would be pretty good.

If you can make a machine run more than a hundred years without external power, I'll let you know where to contact me with the results.

--lemit

[ozi-rock]

Oh I know there are machines that have run efficiently for a 100 years such as trains and cars but I mean something that powered itself without the need for a new fuel source. I dont know of anything like that except the one in this

video

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[freeztar]

Originally Posted by ozi-rock

Oh I know there are machines that have run efficiently for a 100 years such as trains and cars but I mean something that powered itself without the need for a new fuel source. I dont know of anything like that except the one in this video.

That machine can not do any work though. If it did work, it would lose the properties that make it "perpetual". IOW, it would stop functioning.

[TEguy]

The Finsrud machine kinda stops every now and again and needs a bit of a nudge to get it going again. They were talking about it in a show I saw once.

[Cloxxki]

Funny, I was thinking of that too. Circular magnets placed around a freely turning wheel. Wonder how much speed they could build, and how long the magnets would last.

Another idea, probably quite similar but more gravitation rather than magnetical:

This idea has been been bugging me the last couple of hours.
Could the UFO engine (donut shape filled with rotating superfluid creating gravitational forces running through the donut hole) be reversed in large scale and reduced angular rotating speeds, to generate electricity?

In UFO engines as I've read on them, electricity is used to accelerate the superfluid mass to create the desired gravitational force. As we already HAVE gravity, just running the other way, would the superfluid start flowing by itself? Electricity could be gotten from that.
I was thinking : fill up the Swiss particle accelerator with superfluid, reverse the wiring, and hook up to the power grid.

Thanks for your thoughts, so I can sleep tonight.

J

[sman]

Can you give a link to something you've read about UFO engines. I can't find anything. Normal search gets lost in pseudoscience. Creating gravity....I'm interested, but skeptical.

[Cloxxki]

Sorry I can't be very specific, but a Google turns up a lot.

> UFO engine superfluid rotating, etc

I can't post links on here yet.

Apparently the right hand rule for current and megnatism also applies to mass and gravity.
I don't even know the formulas involved, but I suppose spinning the mass (superfluids apparently are good for this) increases it's right hand rule gravitational effect. RPM's are crazy, and require a strong container obviously.

I am not writing that I believe in UFO's. Need to see one first. Aliens, as far as I've been updated, have not yet mastered visual cloaking, so I'll use my eyes for dividing truth from fiction. I do firmly believe that we are burning coal and splitting atoms where durable energy sources are greatly ignored. we just need to find something that allows for large scale use, and good power supply per tonne of equipments, with super low maintenance.

Perhaps the thing not making my little idea work, would be the need for the whole "donut" to be moved in the direction of or against that of gravity first.
But if this setup works are all, ANY circular flow of material being triggered from surrounding a gravitational field (earth's), in could offer quite a lot.
Else, I'm on to the next far-fetched idea.

thanks!

[ozi-rock]

Ha people probably said the wright brother's had a far fetched idea when they said they would fly, what's the point of living if you can't dream and take risk's

[GAHD]

oooh thread necromancers


The "UFO engine" may refer to some applications of things predicted by
Heim-Dröscher theory.
We've got a few related threads here: Heim-Dröscher space and Heim Theory.

Moontanman posted a news item relating to this "UFO engine" not too long ago.

This is just the type of black magic science experiment I'd love to see in person. As with bubble and condensing gas chambers, it could very well change the way we look at things.

[Minyun]

Hello experts

I am not in it for the money, i'm in it for us and our progression.

So, i have a couple of ideas that i've fleshed out in CAD. Those with the know how, could you please offer me your critique.

Here are pictures of the design. I created the angles and the magnetic planes to coincide with each other to make up for energy loss through gravity, i understand that the bearing which the spindle sits on will create some friction and possibly the air too. However, if i were to put this in a vaccum and either a) create the spindel so it rotated on free space (allowing it to balance between negative and positive poles) or b) created the bearing so it were highly polished, would this work?

[The dark blue areas are the magnetized surfaces. The front faces on the spindel being the positive faces and the front face on the angular cylinder being positive too. Obviously there is more magnitude where the angular cylinder is thicker]











Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

P.s. The entire mechanism is 20mmx20mm (if size is any factor?). I was hoping to put these on a silicon board, connect copper busses between them and output power through a main bus. The idea was to use NdFeb magnets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet why? Because A permanent magnet is one made from a material that stays magnetized.