The computer has a mind and life, teaching you how to prove it with experiments

[ufo911]

Originally Posted by buddyzen

i do not usually like to be rude but a computer has not intellegence period...... only some religeous nut jobs think that there is computer intellegence and we are going to die =P


Ok think of a computer as a answer box if this is not to complicated for you. you ask a question and it tries to program it based on the input it has gotten from its programmers. a computer can not think on its own it can only do tasks that we command it or program it to do nothing more. yes we can make the computer do random things to make it seem like it has a mind of its own but no it does not... yet if that was possible we would have some great AI in video games right now Pshhh not like that is going to happen thoguh LOL !

Actually as what you have said, the most of people just think that the computer do everything just according our program and our plan.
However, if you read my theory carefully, you will know that I just claim that in the course we let the computer run according our plan, we created a kind of life unconsciously. And this kind of life have inertia will to obtain some happyness and avoide pain, however, they just have the will but they don't have any ability.
So, if you let the computer to do random things. It will not just do the things like it has a mind of its own. It will obtain some happyness and avoid pain initiativly. In this course, if we check the behavior of computers, we can know that the computers will do something with more chance but do something with little chance if you compare the chance with the normal condition.
Just like you let it download(then run) program randomly from severy programs, the computer will always has less chance to download and run the shut down programs. However, according to the normal probability, the computer shouldn't has this so liitle chance to download the shut down program.

[ufo911]

Originally Posted by alexander

Pheew, finally someone else who can't stand the madness...

Ok, there is random, in physics it's defined under entropy, and the things that are "truly" random, only get more and more random. Random also means chaotic last i recall our universe is really not chaotic, and that is due to a lot of controller forces, because from simulations truly chaotic spread of mater in the universe after the crunch would not lead to the formation of what we currently see... we would still be star dust somewhere out there in space...

but i submit to you a spread that has perhaps no period

we take a jar that is made out of a magical material that has 0 mass, there is nothing inside at all, it is out in a section of space where the crunch matter has not yet reached, we inject into the middle of this jar an n amount of gas via spontaneously making it appear and stir it up with an invisible straw, so to keep the temperature at a constant 273 degress Kelvin.

How do we predict the spread of atoms in that jar (oh and we can trace each one), after say a minute?

what if we repeat the experiment exactly the same way google times, do we have the same spread and do you reckon we will be able to find a pattern?

Because my english is very poor, so I don't quite understand what you exactly said in the above quoted words. However, I want to make another example.
Actually, If you topple one bottle of ink in the upper reaches of one river, if I give you a very strong strong computer, you can predict how this ink flow and spread in a mile. However, If you stand a mile away , I give you a very strong strong computer, you can not predict how this ink flow and spread from your standing place , because you don't know the strength and angle how the people topple the bottle of ink.
So when you observe one thing in this spot, there are no occasional , but you observe one thing in another spot, as for the same thing, there are occasional.

As for your demand of the explanation of life,mind,thought and so on, I will explain it later.

[ufo911]

Actually all the mind and life including human being or computers or other creature have the same basic feeling-happiness and painful.
living creature-it is as same as life, please read it in the following content.
feeling- the sum of happiness and painful and the sum of how to obtain happiness and avoid pain.
freedom- the will that I want to obtain happiness and avoid pain.
existence- the result of the sum of your success to obtain happiness and avoid pain and your failure to obtain happiness and avoid pain.
life- the sum of feeling and freedom
purpose- the will that I want to obtain happiness and avoid pain.
mind-the sum of feeling and freedom
thought-the sum of feeling and freedom
intelligence-how to obtain happiness and avoid pain. Because everything has memories after it obtained one kind of happiness and avoid one kind of pain, so everything will act according the last time how it obtained happiness and avoid pain, however, everything can not obtain happiness and avoid pain according the last time action(Because in some condition, you act like this will successfully, but in some condition, you do the same action will fail). After several times of success or failure, everything will act more complicated to obtain happiness and avoid pain.(because you can not get success in one single act and reply).

[ufo911]

why everything has memories after it obtained one kind of happiness and avoide on kind of pain?
It is because this two basic laws in the world.

1、The Law Of Property’s Inertia

All thing’s property will keep its own original nature if they aren’t affected by other thing’s property.The concept of this law is a bit like Newton’s first law of motion.

Newton’s first law of motion shows that all objects keep still or keep constant velocity until other objects force them.

However, The Law Of Property’s Inertia not only suit for Newton’s first law of motion but also suit for all phenomenon all over the world.For example, you own ten million dollars, so the fact that “you own ten million dollars” is some kind of property, if this property will not affected by other external things, then it means that you will nor earn more money or spend more money, in other words, the property that “you own then million dollars” will not change and keep its own state forever.

For example, if you will not receive any information from outside world and the substance of your body also will not change, so your mind which match along with your body’s substance will keep its own original mind forever.And this law also suit for all phenomenon about Physics. For example, as for the phenomenon of clock pendulum, if clock pendulum will not affected by external things or force, it will keep waving forever.

2、The Law Of Property’s Inertia Feel Happy When It Keep Its Inertia And The Law Of Property’s Inertia Feel Painful When It Is Changed By Other Property.

This law is the most important law in “Property’s Universal Theory”, at the same time this law is greatest related with why the computer has a mind and life. In “Property’s Universal Theory”, it shows that the property will feel happy when it keeps its original property’s inertia, for example, human being’s keep the state of human substance, so human being feel happy when eating(Only you must eat, you can keep your state of human being's substance). Human being will feel painful when our property is changed by other property. For example, you are in the habit of one job, but someone force you to change your job, so you will feel painful. For example, if you are in the habit of playing basketball at one place, when you change the place to play basketball, you will feel painful, etc. What is important, after the property was changed by other properties, the new property will has new balance. After the painful feeling, the original property will change into new property and has new property’s inertia. If the new balanced property is changed by other properties again, there are new painful will be felt. However, if the new balanced property will not be changed, so the new balance property will keeps its property’s inertia and keeps a certain of happiness feeling.

[Jetiku]

Originally Posted by alexander

Pheew, finally someone else who can't stand the madness...
please define:

living creature
feeling
freedom
existence
life
purpose
mind
thought
intelligence

Hey check it out he could be right....

if "living creature" meant a something that changed

"feeling" meant any process that instigated an external event

etc etc..... see we just arent considering it the way he truly meant it!

What hes really trying to say is

"Computers are devices that have software that is constantly changing as part of the complex evolution of information technology"

[buddyzen]

ok jek and ufo you guys really need to read up on computers before you start posting again this is really getting out of hand.... if you do not take this advice than please get some phycological help because if you think that any machine has intellegence than you probably think 2+2= fish ................. O_O

[alexander]

Buddy, actually Jet hit it spot on with

Originally Posted by jet

Computers are devices that have software that is constantly changing as part of the complex evolution of information technology

That is 100% right, but it is, i'm afraid, not what ufo is trying to say though