Moved from "Over Balanced Wheel - Perpetual Motion"

[Turtle]

perpetual motion machine is an oxymoron. period. end of story. case closed. 'nough said. fini.

this thread is fodder for the Silly Claims forum. get it there now & stop pretending that there is even a femto-erg of scientific merit here. good grief people. enough molly-coddling already.

[stereologist]

I did NOT say other peoples designs were wrong ----- YOU did!
All I did, was to follow your suggestion.
As far as you saying my design is not wrong ----- how on Earth would YOU know.,you've
never even seen it?
Do yourself a favour pal, wait untill my design is available to all, before you come to any
conclusions!

Whatever your design is, it isn't a perpetual motion machine. This is not a matter of right or wrong design. Rather it is a matter of the machine fulfilling the claim. There is a wealth of information from over 400 years of study that says your claim cannot be fulfilled.

I agree with turtle. Off to the silly claims forum.

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Turtle

perpetual motion machine is an oxymoron. period. end of story. case closed. 'nough said. fini.

True that. But ...

Originally Posted by Turtle

this thread is fodder for the Silly Claims forum. get it there now & stop pretending that there is even a femto-erg of scientific merit here. good grief people. enough molly-coddling already.

Molly-coddling (an archaic figure of speech meaning roughly “encouraging in a motherly way”) isn’t always inappropriate. Hypography’s next-to-most recent banner billed it as “science for everyone”, an objective we still strive toward, and that “everyone” includes, if I’m not far off in my guess, people like Sir Isaac Einstein, who I’m guessing from his posting style and unfamiliarity with internet use, falls in the 10-14 year-old age range. Personally, I think it’s abnormal for someone not to have fervently believed they could build a conservation-of-energy-violating machine by that age, just as it’s a sign of failed education and/or mental illness for someone much older than that to continue to believe so.

I think most of our members – legendary turtles included - intuitively agree with me on this. As evidence, I contend that were SIE perceived to be an adult, his reputation bar would have been blasted into the deep red days ago. We’re all, if not quite coddling him, at least humoring him.

The venerable subject of perpetual motion machines is a recurring dilemma for forums like hypography, as it’s boring to the point of aggravation to serious science and technology enthusiasts and professionals, yet an important rite-of-passage for thoughtful youths. With that in mind, I’ll shunt the clearly not engineering-and-applied-science-forum-worthy “I’ve designed a real perpetual motion machine! Just wait ‘til I can figure out how to post the design!” subthread into the silly claims forum. When we’ve some actual design diagram to discuss – as we have successfully and productively in past threads – we can shunt them back into the engineering forum.

Originally Posted by Sir Isaac Einstein

... once I figure out how to 'post' my design
on this forum! Any ideas?

Originally Posted by freeztar

You must post your images online somewhere first. There are several free services for this such as Free File Hosting Made Simple - MediaFire
…

If you find freeztar’s suggestions too difficult, SIE, an easier (or at least quicker) way to post small images is to click the “Manage Attachments” button that appears under the “Reply to Thread” box you get when you click the “Post Reply” or any of the “Quote” buttons on this page. Stay away from the “Post Quick Reply” box and button, as it doesn’t give you all the features needed to upload images.

This’ll give you one or more thumbnails like the ones at the bottom of this post (which intentionally have nothing to do with perpetual motion machines), which readers can click to expand into full-size, downloadable images. And, as freeztar said, if you have trouble using this or any other feature at hypography, just let one of us moderators or admins know.

[freeztar]

Moderation note: this post and replies to it were moved to the engineering and applied science forum thread “Eccentric slew ring wheel perpetual motion machine”, because with the addition of actual sketches of the described machine, it’s now possible to discuss them in a manner consistent with the standards of the engineering and applied science forum.

Here are the designs that Sir Isaac Einstein wanted to post.

[Qfwfq]

Originally Posted by CraigD

(which intentionally have nothing to do with perpetual motion machines)

Actually, at least the triangle one has something quite substantially to do with the typical contraption which supposedly gives an output without consuming some other energy. Very often the obvious difference is exactly equal to another one which is simply less obvious to spot, but cleans up the mismatch.

[lemit]

So, if you claim to have created a perpetual motion machine, you must be able to demonstrate that you have built such a machine and it has worked in perpetuity. That's pretty much what's required of any other new technology: that it can be shown to do what it is designed to do.

--lemit