Shutting down a democracy

[orbsycli]

VERY interesting lecture here:

YouTube - Talk by Naomi Wolf - The End of America

Mussolini created the blueprint (with inspiration from Lenin), Hitler elaborated on it, Stalin studied Hitler...

Here's how it works (Every time)(notice how many Bush & Co. is using now.):

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

2. Create a gulag

3. Develop a thug caste

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

5. Harass citizens' groups

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

7. Target key individuals

8. Control the press

9. Dissent equals treason

10. Suspend the rule of law



Hear . . any . . echoes . .?

[orbsycli]

I think this is very important information.
You can see what's happened in the past
happening all over again.

I, for one, will not allow such iniquity.
Homeland security my ass.

[HydrogenBond]

Both political parties engage in this. The Republicans tend to focus on control when it comes to issues of national security. The Democrats like to control when it comes to free enterprise and individual liberties, if any of these are seen as a type of risk. The two combined are big brother and big mama. Big brother is trying to protect the family from all the bullies in the world. Big mother is trying to baby everyone.

The Constitution is suppose to limit the role of govenment, with protecting the citizens one of its permissable roles. The Republican interpret that to mean national defense. The Democrats interpret that to mean anything that can pose a risk to anyone or anything. The latter is far more intrusive and causes the role of govenment to esculate into areas the founder fathers never even dreamed of. If we compare the ten steps to removing democracy they both scores points.

1) internal and external enemy; Rep; terrorists, Dem; big business.
2)gulag; neither
3)Thug caste; Rep; homeland security, Dem; activism
4) internal surveillance system, both
5)Harass citizens' groups, Dem; equal rights, civil liberties, political correctness, etc.
6)arbitrary detension; neither
7)Target Key individuals; Dem; constant fishing trials.
8)Control the press; Dem; main stream press and hollywood
9) Dissent equals treason; only for poltical advantage
10) suspend rule of law, neither. Dem=esculate rule of law.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

Both political parties engage in this.

<Whine>"But they do it too!"</Whine>

Keep those blinders on! It sure is hard to find Republican examples for the last five items, huh?

And of course just to emphasize: its really important to recognize the examples for 1 imply quite clearly that Democrats are not against terrorists, but they work hard to purposely kill off all big businesses!

A cookie for anyone who can come up with the name of the last major Democratic political leader who advocated nationalizing any companies in America!

For those of you who are interested: this talk is from Naomi's latest book

The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young...
The End of America: Letter of Warning To A Young...

. I only recently started it, and its the usual lucid, down-to-earth Naomi: Go buy it today!

Its a warning to all: A lot of reasons why Democrats are unhappy with many of their representatives these days, although if you really believe in the Constitution and what the Rule of Law means, its pretty hard for any but the hard core partisans to call "their" party "perfect and above blame for anything." All I can say is look where the middle is these days....

CIA rendition goons, Blackwater and Norman Podhoretz, Oh My,
Buffy

[REASON]

Excellent lecture Orb. Thanks for sharing it.

Poltically, I consider myself an Independent, left-leaning moderate. And from my vantage point, it is important to isolate and marginalize the ideological element within, or in use of the GOP that is primarily responsible for this overt and seemingly unrestrained hostile takeover of the executive branch of our government.

The Neocons.

It is generally not the traditional Republicans or Conservatives at work here. These Neocons (or Neo-Jacobins) were sitting around in their think tanks throughout the 80's and 90's awaiting the opportunity to sieze power and implement their hegemonic, imperialist plans. I believe, based on what I've read, that the depth of their motives is far deeper than the general public has a clue about. They are able to operate out of the notion that a majority of Americans will refuse to believe it is possible what they are really up to, because our democratic government would never do such a thing.

Well, it's time to stop standing around like a bunch of sheep because they're doing it; right under our noses.

Here's an example: I would not be surprised one bit if something major happens next summer, allowed or contrived, that causes Bush to declare a national State of Emergency using his recently acquired executive powers, that forestalls the presidential election for an indefinite period on the basis that to elect a new president would destabilize our government in the midst of a national crisis.


Now consider your initial response to that theory.

Naomi is right on the money!

[InfiniteNow]

Is the US becoming more of a fascist state? I'd say yes, for all of the reasons shared and then some.

[orbsycli]

What is going to happen when we can't ignore it?
I wonder if they're going to do this differently(than fascists in the past),
I wonder if anyone with power, and a voice, will be able to steer this countries intentions in another direction.
'Cause what is a hippy like me supposed to do except spread the word and learn to survive in the wilderness? For real. I have visions of this. It's not that I want to run away and hide, I am not afraid, but I'm afraid that someday, maybe someday soon, that I will be.
The Earth is so quiet right now.
This is the calm before the storm.
Right now.
I feel like I need to do something, but I don't know what.

What an amazing position these bastards have in this chess game we all might be forced to play.

Here's an example: I would not be surprised one bit if something major happens next summer that causes Bush to declare a national State of Emergency using his recently acquired executive powers, that forestalls the presidential election for an indefinite period on the basis that to elect a new president during this period would destabilize our government in the midst of a national crisis.

It's foreshadowed.
You know...the maya call this next period of time (about a year) starting on november 17 of this year "The fifth night"

You can look at McKenna's timewaves and you can look into the past during previous "night" periods and see a pattern.
The last night just happened to be WW2.
I know, it's an obscure observation, but it's a vision that seems to fit.

I really, really hope not...but the echoes are everywhere.

[Dobin]

One small difference i can spot between America and someone like Hitler's rise to power.

Hitler was extremely popular among voters before seizing power, as apposed to Bush's quite terrible approval rating.

[orbsycli]

Originally Posted by Dobin

One small difference i can spot between America and someone like Hitler's rise to power.

Hitler was extremely popular among voters before seizing power, as apposed to Bush's quite terrible approval rating.

Thank GOD.
I hope WE THE PEOPLE are collectively smart enough to see this happening.

[REASON]

Originally Posted by Dobin

One small difference i can spot between America and someone like Hitler's rise to power.

Hitler was extremely popular among voters before seizing power, as apposed to Bush's quite terrible approval rating.

Bush was actually the one that was quite popular during his rise to power. Hitler never achieved a majority approval rating. As with Hitler, Bush's approval rating dramatically diminished as it became strikingly apparent where his leadership was heading.

Paul Craig Roberts, Senior Research Fellow at the Hoover Institute and former Assistant Treasury Secretary during the Reagan Administration, describes our situation from a July column, here. It is worth reading more of his editorials as well, found here.