The U.S. Government is Disgusting

[orbsycli]

There have been many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11,

there has been random evidence scattered accross the internet that's made me wonder what ACTUALLY happened on that day.

Then I saw this movie...

Google Video

it's an hour and a half long.
And if you have an hour and a half to sit on the computer
spend your time watching that movie.

It's a film dedicated to the truth about that day, it's called Loose Change, have any of you seen it?

There is so much evidence in that film, pretty much pointing to the facts that the U.S. Government planned everything,

the tape of osama bin laden admitting to the attacks
ISN'T EVEN HIM,
it's an actor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you havn't seen this movie,
please do

because UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't try to tell me that Al Queda did it,
it was a self inflicted OPPOSITE of a wound.

America doesn't care about you.

Please reply after you have seen the movie, or at least done some research into what really happened.

and PLEASE don't listen to the news on television,
I'm practically in tears that something this horrible could occur,
in the name of greed.



P.S.
Hollywood is making a movie called flight 93....

Um....

I am terrified when I look outside.
This place is so corrupt and no one
knows what's going on.

How could this happen?

[TheBigDog]

Orb, I have watched that film and it is bunk. It uses some outright lies, sprinkled with enough historical plausibility to sell its bill of goods. You are buying into propaganda of those who would take down this country from within by convincing the citizenship that their elected officials are in some sort of giant conspiracy against them. I know that you have good enough critical thinking ability to see through the charlatan salesmanship of this video. I would like to discuss any portion of the video that your choose. Pick the parts that you feel make the best case for your worst fears of the government, and I will examine each of them with you.

Bill

[Mr. Potato Head]

I thought I was in the presence of intelligence on this website until I see one of the brains crack so easily. Too bad.

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by Mr. Potato Head

I thought I was in the presence of intelligence on this website until I see one of the brains crack so easily. Too bad.

Which brain cracked?

[orbsycli]

oh,
ok then

[Eclogite]

BigDog (and anyone else), one question: would you agree or disagree that the events of 911 provided a very convenient justification for actions that some members and some supporters of the Bush administration had wished to embark upon.

To encourage a measured response (and, of course, you would offer nothing else ) let me note that I have no doubts that the attack was inspired by Osama bin Laden and carried out by Al Quaeda operatives. In other words I am not trying to lay a trap for you with the above question.

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

BigDog (and anyone else), one question: would you agree or disagree that the events of 911 provided a very convenient justification for actions that some members and some supporters of the Bush administration had wished to embark upon.

What specific actions are you alluding to? I don't think our current political and military situation fit anyone's master plan. With the possible exception of our enemies who would know how we would react and be willing to sacrifice any number of innocent lives as puppet strings manupulating the US military into action. Once the military is in action they just keep it going, baiting us further along with more innocent lives lost as the political will at home softens toward their favor. Until people see the US as a monster and even the instigator of the whole problem, simply because we are not willing to stand by and let innocent lives be taken without a just response and an effort to end the evil that causes such actions. And videos like this one, that lie about the whole history of it in such an incidious fashion do nothing but weaken the position of good, and strengthen the position of evil.

Our enemy is fighting a war under the supposition that we are politically weak. Their objective is not military victory, it is political submission. They only fight to weaken our policy into their favor. If we do not fight they attack again and again to lure us into a fight that they count upon to lead to our political submission.

Shall we discuss?

Bill

[orbsycli]

i'd really rather not...

This topic is making me sick,
I don't know who to trust, who to listen to.

I'm going to take a break from listening to you guys
and go out into the world and find out what's going on for myself.

You won't see my around for awhile,
goodbye.

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by TheBigDog

Shall we discuss?

I think not. I really did just want a simple yes or no answer. I feel your response is too emotionally laden for me to conduct a balanced, objective discussion with you on this particular topic. You seem to be unaware that several within the current administration wanted an excuse to engage in the kind of action that we have seen in Afghanistan and Iraq. I do not wish to deabte something as factually well validated as that.
Too rapidly such discussions create a defensive posture in which criticism of the US administration is seen as criticism of the US. That is not a road I enjoy travelling down.
Ophiolite

[TheBigDog]

Originally Posted by Eclogite

I think not. I really did just want a simple yes or no answer. I feel your response is too emotionally laden for me to conduct a balanced, objective discussion with you on this particular topic. You seem to be unaware that several within the current administration wanted an excuse to engage in the kind of action that we have seen in Afghanistan and Iraq. I do not wish to deabte something as factually well validated as that.
Too rapidly such discussions create a defensive posture in which criticism of the US administration is seen as criticism of the US. That is not a road I enjoy travelling down.
Ophiolite

It is very convenient for you to brush aside discussion by simply saying that I cannot be objective in discussing it with you. I am wondering what statement I made was so emotionally charged that you see me as being incapable of debate? The thread is about the video linked at the top. I would love to discuss that video point for point so that it is not seen as gospel by those who watch it and are eager for whatever reason they have within them to abondon reason and accept it as verbatim fact.

Anyway, to answer your question.

• Yes, it did act as justification for policy changes popular with members of the administration.
• No, it was no administration member's sole and primary intention to instigate and engage in open conflict in the middle east.

Bill