End Game

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

How would I like to live? At this point in my life it doesn't take much to please me, listening to my fav tunes, my aquariums, growing plants, a garden, not having my head cut off because I don't believe the way some else thinks I should, no storm troopers beating down the door because I think different than the status quo thinks, the right to a fair trial, freedom of speech, freedom to live the way I think I should. Basically the freedom to live as I please long as I don't harm someone else. Not too much to ask of life I think.

I believe the New World Order can give you all of that, however, that is not the same as having individual power and liberty.

There are many ways to describe the old world order verses the new world order. A few powerful people lording it over the masses, is old world order. The beast that rules over us now, is headless. It is a bureaucratic organization that crushes individual power and liberty. It is Prussian military bureaucracy applied to citizens. It is headless, because policy is set by a handful of people, who can all be killed tomorrow, without effecting the enactment of the policy they set the day before. Our present bureaucratic order is more powerful than any king or pharaoh hoped to be. It is completely impersonal and therefore completely crushes individual liberty and power.

"In the past, personal and political liberty depended to a considerable extent upon governmental inefficiency. The spirit of tyranny was always more than willing; but its organization was weak. Progressive science and technology have changed all this completely" Aldous Huxley

In other words, the people in all those countries Celeste listed as dictatorships, have more individual freedom and power, than the people in the US, because the countries listed do not have the bureaucratic efficiency and power of the US bureaucracy.[/QUOTE]

How can you say that? In many if not most of those countries the individual has but two choices, do and beieve exactly as told or die. In the US we might not have a perfect world but I don't have to worry abouit being killed because I disagree with the powers that be. Good lord, in North Korea anyone who doesn't kiss the leaders ass are subject to reeducation if they are lucky they might survive to be used in chemical warfare experiments. If a famialy member does something the goverment say is wrong and this can be incredibly tiny infractions they whole family is imprisoned or killed. Would you want to live in contant fear of being arrested because someone else you had the bad luck to be related to broke the rules? The people starve while Kimjong or what ever his name is and his cronies stay fat and happy while they brazenly and with out care or worry kill people they don't like. Even if it's only a tenth as bad as we are told and I am sure it's much worse than that, it sounds like a living hell to me.

[Ahmabeliever]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

Are you serious about our contribtution to society being no more than paying taxes? How is this different from being a 17 old living off Mom and Dad and his only responsibility is cleaning his room and taking out the trash?

Our Declaration of Independency is a declaration of responsibility, and the worse enemy of our democracy is the human nature to avoid responsibility whenever possible.

Go back and read again. A person should not be obliged to do more than contribute a portion of their works, if you want to get all worked up and special and do more by all means do so, but don't push your 'responsibility' crap at me, or others.

A weeks work is more than enough contribution to society, and taxes from that.

How is the kid living at parents house paying their taxes?
How is a hard working man paying his taxes not contributing?

What the hell are you talking about?