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Published by C1ay 06-27-2005
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#1
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UncleAl
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06-27-2005
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| Re: A Force Field for Astronauts? Not A Space Agency This same sort of hornswoggle was originally proposed as a multiple tesla magnetic field using a supercon solenoid. Push come to shove, anybody doing any serious traveling in the solar system (or cooling his heels in ISS FUBAR) will get cooked by radiation (solar fast protons; cosmic rays) . It is much worse when you leave the protection of the Earth's magnetic field, though ISS FUBAR ass-tronaughts routinely get radiation cataracts. The intense magnetic field was not clever at all, but it was doable. Charging 50 million volts on a human-bearing vehicle is frank stooopidity. Working on a 50 kV power line is quite dangerous, but procedure will protect a lineworker. Working an a 250+ kV power line requires intensive training, special armored clothing, and a lot of luck. A 50 MV environment (gee - there is no electric field inside a closed conductor!) is utterly insane. The magnetic field would be a giant iron dust collector. The electric field would simply blow off into space as field emission into vacuum. Any little boo-boo will fry the entire craft and its occupants - snap, crackle, pop! |
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#2
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CraigD
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06-28-2005
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| I recall that most designs for long-journey manned spacecraft take advantage of the efficacy of ordinary water as a shielding material by surrounding part of the crew compartment with a fairly thin (10-15 cm) layer of water. Since an extreme solar event can be safely detected before the massive particle flux reaches dangerous levels, all that’s required is a small compartment for the crew to crowd into for the duration of the event. Water shielding wasn’t practical for the Apollo missions, because the spacecraft had to keep their mass as low as possible to make it possible for even the most powerful rocket system available to boost them to the moon. It’s probably not practical for first-generation moon dwellings, because water appears to be extremely rare on the moon. Long-journey manned spacecraft, such as those being considered for a mars mission, are typically much more massive than the Apollo vehicles, involving many launches and assembly in earth orbit, so these factors don’t make water shielding impractical. Even if strong static charged conductive surfaces like those suggested by ASRC Aerospace Corp’s Buhler and Lane can be made to work I don’t believe they would be chosen over water shielding for such spacecraft. They might be effective for shielding exposed moon vehicles and dwellings, where sufficient quantities of water are unavailable at a reasonable cost, and the available, hydrogen-poor lunar material a poor choice for reasonably low-mass shielding. I’m very skeptical that such a system can be made to work, both for the reasons UncleAl raises, and because the scattering caused by a thin conductor, even if aswarm with charge, might not deflect enough dangerous particles. They’d certainly have no effect on the dangerously more numerous high-energy photons that accompany these massive particles during an extreme solar event. Even on the moon, I expect very small water shield “umbrellas” is a more practical solution. |
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#3
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Turtle
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07-18-2006
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| Now comes the idea of a plasma shield to protect astronauts! I don't know enough physics to judge the suitability, but I see they plan to use superconductors & maybe Uncle Al's new superconducting material he proposed has a potential use. Here's a quote & link to article: http://www.newscientistspace.com/art...mars-trip.html Quote:
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#4
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Mercedes Benzene
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07-19-2006
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| Re: A Force Field for Astronauts? This is an interesting topic, but I do not believe that NASA will go through with any of these ideas. I mean: really! NASA wants to get back to the moon and then eventually to mars... They want to do all of this, and with a continually cut budget... The least of their concerns is a radiation shield. They'll find a way to make do with current blocking technology. Nonetheless, a wonderful article. |
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#5
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Turtle
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07-19-2006
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#6
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Mercedes Benzene
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07-19-2006
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| Re: A Force Field for Astronauts? Quote:
Humans will be exposed to radiation no matter what. It is just to what degree that seems to be the problem here. Astronauts easily go over the reccomended annual dose of background radiation in a 3-week stay on the international space station. I don't think that NASA will work to develop protection that is any more adequate than what they use now. | |
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#7
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Turtle
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07-19-2006
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#8
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Mercedes Benzene
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07-19-2006
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| Re: A Force Field for Astronauts? Quote:
I still have questions about the trips that we have made to the moon though. | |
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