[Moontanman]

I just saw a show on the science channel that admitted that Apollo 11 was shadowed by an unknown object on it's way to the moon. for decades this object was said to be the top stage of the rocket that propelled them to the moon but on this show the astronauts that were there said that the rocket stage was 6000 miles away from them and this object was very close. they were afraid to report it over the radio because they thought that reporting an alien space ship might cause the mission to be scrubbed. I recorded it and watched it again just to make sure I hadn't mis heard the astronaut. They also said that many space flights were shadowed by UFO's that couldn't be explained and many people in NASA privately believe that UFO's are alien space craft.

Michael

[orbsycli]

I posted some videos last week about ex nasa employees who were hired to airbrush giant towers on the moon out of photographs, and that it's standard procedure to edit out ufo's from photographs.
check out the videos. no one really gave me any feedback...

I don't know what to believe. It's interesting.

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

They also said that many space flights were shadowed by UFO's that couldn't be explained

Do you mean a "lot of moon missions" or regular, low-earth orbit flights? When they are in standard, low-earth orbit you can even see the shuttle at night *from the ground*, so how come they can't show any objects following it?

The things people are willing to believe...

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

I posted some videos last week about ex nasa employees who were hired to airbrush giant towers on the moon out of photographs, and that it's standard procedure to edit out ufo's from photographs.
check out the videos. no one really gave me any feedback...

I don't know what to believe. It's interesting.

It is interesting but the photos were flawed, there should have been giant shadows from structures that big. You couldn't have air brushed out the buildings with out air brushing the shadows as well but no shadow smudges were apparent. Of course I guess they could have used some tecnique to take out the shadows but there should have been shadow shaped smudges too. The UFO's were a little more convincing but photos are not proof. they can be faked very convincingly. I wouldn't go as far as to say these people weren't telling the truth there's just no way to be sure. On the show I saw the photos were actually released by NASA and showed unknown objects. When NASA goes as far as to release something like this it is a little more convincing but even they could be wrong. I have a feeling we will all be trying to see into this murky area until a UFO lands at a major airport or city. With CGI technology like it is now any new images are automatically suspect. With CGI you could make a convincing film of Marvin Martian landing on the white house lawn. If we could see the photos before and after they were air brushed we would have some real evidence.

Michael

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Tormod

Do you mean a "lot of moon missions" or regular, low-earth orbit flights? When they are in standard, low-earth orbit you can even see the shuttle at night *from the ground*, so how come they can't show any objects following it?

The things people are willing to believe...

Actually what they said was low earth orbits in the 60's. No mention of space shuttle UFO's. Even if they could be seen I'm quite sure every flight isn't being followed nor are they being followed the entire flight. So if you wanted to see them you would have to be lucky enough to be looking at the exact moment they were there. I'm not saying I am a true believer, I am sceptical of almost everything. I require real evidence to believe, that is why I say we won't know for sure until an alien space craft takes up orbit around the earth or actually lands in a public place. If the government came out and said they had aliens at area 51 I would have to see them in the presence of a noted news person or better yet in person before i would be a true believer. Everyone lies, especially goverments, sometimes they have good reason but most of the time it's just for the sake of keeping secrets.

Michael

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Actually what they said was low earth orbits in the 60's.

Lessee....

Mercury: 6 manned flights, 2 of which were suborbital
Gemini: 10 manned flights
Apollo: 6 flights (before 1970), only two of which were low orbit flights (the rest went to the Moon)

So...a total of 14 manned US space LEO flights.

Number of Russian flights: 15.

That's a whopping 29 missions in low earth orbit. Exactly how many of these were followed by UFOs? How were the UFO's detected, and how were they tracked?

I require real evidence to believe, that is why I say we won't know for sure until an alien space craft takes up orbit around the earth or actually lands in a public place.

Well, if you can believe something only by seeing evidence to the contrary, how can you actually believe *anything*?

Since you have no evidence for these flights except hearsay I recommend not believing it.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Tormod

Lessee....

Mercury: 6 manned flights, 2 of which were suborbital
Gemini: 10 manned flights
Apollo: 6 flights (before 1970), only two of which were low orbit flights (the rest went to the Moon)

So...a total of 14 manned US space LEO flights.

Number of Russian flights: 15.

That's a whopping 29 missions in low earth orbit. Exactly how many of these were followed by UFOs? How were the UFO's detected, and how were they tracked?



Well, if you can believe something only by seeing evidence to the contrary, how can you actually believe *anything*?

Since you have no evidence for these flights except hearsay I recommend not believing it.

they didn't say how many but it wasn't all of them I am sure. they did show a film taken from a low earth orbit that showed two disc shaped objects trailing the space capsule. They simply said the objects could not be identified and it was an unknown. I didn't say i could believe something only by seeing evidense to the contrary I said I had to see or hear it from a reliable source and the governemnt isn't most reliable source. an astronaunt is a reletively reliable source but having kept a secrete for 30 years kinda makes it suspect at least a little bit. It would have been more believeable if they had come out with it at the time, at least to me. I have seen nothing that proves alien space craft are visiting the earth I've seen some pictures that if taken at face value would be proof but photos are always suspect. But I do remain open to the possiblity.

Michael

[Theory5]

well i think thats probably a lie. in rosewell people saw flying craft that appeared to be UFO's, but were the government testing how well those kinds of craft fly, y'know what im talking about right? and if these aliens traveled here, 1 why didnt they observe from far away? even if they didnt invent the teloscope wouldnt they have something like it? another thing, that was when radio waves were the most popular right? If they wanted to hear what we were saying they would need a radio of sorts right? and somthing like that is bound to leak out right? otherwise couldnt some lowly employee of NASA blackmail them? or wouldnt some other country leak somthing? And anyways what science channel did u get this from? is it a well known and a reliable channel? or is it some channel that not alll TV providers carry? and what astronauts were these? this UFO thing is sorta like the wear-tin-foil-to-keep-the-government-from-finding-out-what-u-think thing. I think it was Popular science that did an article about a study done that shows that very few waves are blocked and the only waves that only the government might and could know about wasnt near the frequency that was blocked by the tinfoil.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Theory5

well i think thats probably a lie. in rosewell people saw flying craft that appeared to be UFO's, but were the government testing how well those kinds of craft fly, y'know what im talking about right? and if these aliens traveled here, 1 why didnt they observe from far away? even if they didnt invent the teloscope wouldnt they have something like it? another thing, that was when radio waves were the most popular right? If they wanted to hear what we were saying they would need a radio of sorts right? and somthing like that is bound to leak out right? otherwise couldnt some lowly employee of NASA blackmail them? or wouldnt some other country leak somthing? And anyways what science channel did u get this from? is it a well known and a reliable channel? or is it some channel that not alll TV providers carry? and what astronauts were these? this UFO thing is sorta like the wear-tin-foil-to-keep-the-government-from-finding-out-what-u-think thing. I think it was Popular science that did an article about a study done that shows that very few waves are blocked and the only waves that only the government might and could know about wasnt near the frequency that was blocked by the tinfoil.

First I think Roswell is probably bullshit, keeping it a secret would be a logistical nightmare literally thousands of people would have to be willing not to talk over a period of decades. Not only that but the so called Roswell incident was identical to a book that had been released describing a supposed alien space craft crash a year earlier that had been shown to be a shame the authors were charged with and spent time in jail or at least were fined Big time. It's been a while and I can't remember the details. But many people think that this was how the Roswell incident got started by people retelling the story that had be told in that book. The town in the book was close to Roswell and the details was really very close to what all the people claim in the Roswell incident. The two people who really were involved tell a somewhat different story from the people who jumped on the band wagon many years later and their story was more like the fake book.
If indeed their was a close encounter with the Apollo 11 mission there could be many reasons why the aliens did what they did. Predicting what aliens would do by come paring it to what people might do is not a very good idea. I can think of many reasons why humans might decide to shadow a space mission like that instead of viewing or listening from a distance. Motives of aliens are completely inscrutable.
The Science Channel is part of the Discovery Channel network that is owned by Discovery magazine and is a well known and highly thought of science periodical. It is on a pare with Scientific American or Nature magazines. The information and films and pictures they presented was given to them directly by NASA and the astronauts and other people involved. They didn't claim it was an alien space craft just that it was an unknown object that shadowed Apollo 11 for a day or so. Of course there are only two possibilities. It was either a probe or craft from Earth or it was an alien probe or space craft. No one knows for sure but at that time there was no one on Earth known to be capable of launching a probe or space craft that could follow the Apollo 11 space craft.

Michael

[Jim Colyer]

UFO - Unbelievably Foolish Obsession