Moon Missions Faked?

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

*sigh, that's how i felt.
until i read that austrailia saw a coke bottle on the moon from their televisions. and the different light sources...

Wait, only the Aussie's saw it? They musta had their TV's upside down...

And of course you have to remember this was 1969, the year after the Summer of Love, God knows what some of these people think they saw through that haze of drugs...

Cheers,
Buffy

[orbsycli]

people are always on drugs everywhere though, i wouldn't use a time period as an excuse for a mass observation.

[Tormod]

Did they see coke bottles on all the moon landings, then?

[orbsycli]

that web page states just one mission, i forget the specific one. if i remember correctly, it was the first one. and nasa cut that part out of the transmission to the rest of the world (since it was delayed) and austrailia got it live.

[Tormod]

I could have sworn it was Pepsi. Another failed attempt at a market coup.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

that web page states just one mission, i forget the specific one. if i remember correctly, it was the first one. and nasa cut that part out of the transmission to the rest of the world (since it was delayed) and austrailia got it live.

Unfortunately, the technology for that "5-second obscenity delay" we've gotten used to did not exist during the moon missions. All of the mission feeds were live and not rebroadcast (pretty boring to watch from what I've seen, unless you're a space nut)... "Another one bites the (moon) dust, heeeyy yah!"

Cheers,
Buffy

[Buffy]

Up about item 11-12 in this thread we were talking about the guidance computer on Apollo, and the following story just appeared in the NY Times about a guy who's rebuilding one. Facinating stuff:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/te...ts/10apol.html

I guess this is more of the scientific method at work: if people don't believe we went to the moon, just repeat all of the experiments necessary to get there.

Who's to say that the Gray's don't like Coke, picked up some when they were mutilating cattle and abducting humans and left a few empties on the moon? Sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me...

Cheers,
Buffy

[Turtle]

Here is why I sit squarely on the fence. I watched the entire process, from Kennedy's announcement of the mission in 1960(?) to, well, now. I sat enraptured by Walter Cronkite explaining every little detail over hours & hours of continuous broadcasting. I joined a science book club which sent monthly booklets explaining the mission & equipment; they also sent little models of the LEM & command module to assemble. This experience for me I have no doubt is an important driving force for my interest & ability in science & math today.
That said, the reason I started this thread is that I heard this gentleman(the one who wrote the article the link points to) on late night radio doing a 3 hour interview. What seemed to be the strongest argument he emphasized, is the radiation outside Earth's magnetic field would have killed the astronauts given its strength & their lack of shielding.The article is well written & documented, & as I understand that even the bad astronomers are having a tough time with that. In short, he's claiming we did everything we claimed/saw up to the point of actually leaving Earth orbit. The rest was faked in order to not loose face with the Soviets.
Finally, have you seen a Moon rock? How do you know it's from the Moon? Oh yeah; the authoritys told me.
I appreciate the help because I'm still on the fence. I once heard Hillary Clinton say "If you see a turtle on a fence post, you know it didn't get there by itself."

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by Turtle

What seemed to be the strongest argument he emphasized, is the radiation outside Earth's magnetic field would have killed the astronauts given its strength & their lack of shielding.The article is well written & documented, & as I understand that even the bad astronomers are having a tough time with that.

No. Well, yes, I guess "bad astronomers" will have problems with understanding it. Normal astronomers won't. Anyway, you don't use astronomers to send people to the moon, you use engineers. Job number #1 is to take care of the crew and make sure they are shielded from harm.

The radiation between the Earth and the Moon is lethal - especially in the Van Allen belts - but not difficult to survive (we have 8 manned missions without a single death to prove this). Moon missions are SHORT - they last a few days. A Mars mission is a completely different matter. The Moon is only about 350,000 kilometers away, and the Earth/Moon system really is a double planet system.

At the bottom of this document you'll find evidence of this:
http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon.htm

(And, by the way, if you can get people into orbit, you're almost halfway to the Moon! The rest is peanuts because the REAL effort lies in getting people off the ground in the first place!)

Finally, have you seen a Moon rock? How do you know it's from the Moon? Oh yeah; the authoritys told me.

No, the scientists did. Possibly the only big mystery left when it comes to the Moon is how it came into being. The current theory is that a planet-sized asteroid smashed into a very young Earth and a huge chunk of matter formed a ring which condensed into the moon. This would mean that the Moon should consist of pretty much the same material as the Earth, except that it has not gone through the geological activity (volcanoes, tectonics) as the Earth. So it is like the Earth when it was young. And in fact that is what we observe.

Here is a good page about the Lunar samples collected during the Apollo missions:
http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/lunar.htm

The SMART-1 mission, operated by the European Space Centre, is currently in orbit around the moon to study these things in further detail.

I once heard Hillary Clinton say "If you see a turtle on a fence post, you know it didn't get there by itself."

Good quote. I like this one, too:

Stephen Hawking in A Brief History Of Time starts with the anecdote.
A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a
public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the
sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection
of stars called our galaxy.

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at
the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish.
The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant
tortoise."

The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is
the tortoise standing on?"

"You're very clever, young man, very clever,"
said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down."

Taken from http://www.the-funneled-web.com/Hawking.htm

[Turtle]

Thanks Tormod; I want to beleive & I feel a little more inclined again to your side. I heard it was Feynman(sp) not Russel in your Hawking anecdote. Being a turtle myself, I thought I might work that one in. She's right you know; it is nothing but us turtles all the way down.
Further on the contributions of turtles, the oldest know written magic square is in China. They relate that the magic square (3x3) came by way of a turtle which emerged from the Yellow river in the prescence of the emporor who slew the nine-headed dragon ( I forget his name) with the magic square etched on the bottom of his shell.
Another place to meet a math/logic turtle (although he is long-winded), is in "Metamagical Themas" by Dougy Hofstedter(sp).