Aliens Poll

[spennithorne]

Originally Posted by Zohaar818

..... rely entirely on theories which do not account for parallel universes....

note that the theories which allow for UFO's to exist are more about travelling from point A to parallel point A [not B], ...slipping out of time and slipping out of this quantum dimension into a sub-quantum or exo-quantum parallel where time is not a constant and thus not a factor of distance or light speed...

What theory if any do you posit that accounts for the observed phenomena of UFO's which defy 'earthly' explanation?

Let's see, obviously I'd have to rely on theories that account for parallel universes, travel to parallel points (in those parallel universes), slipping out of time, slipping out of "this quantum dimension" into a "sub-quantum or exoquantum parallel" where time is not a constant....

Of course! Why didn't I think of that??!

[spennithorne]

Originally Posted by sanctus

ANd spennithoren doens't general relativity predict the existence of wormholes? And so far GR has only shown to be right or not complete, but not wrong...

And even if it were wrong, that wouldn't prove the non-existence of such structures, how can you prove they don't exist?

I believe the existence of wormholes can be abstracted from GR as a possibility. That's different from positive prediction. [For example, relativity predicted the slight bending of sunlight around Mercury and the precession of its orbit, and has more recently been proven out in the phenomenon of gravitational lensing of starlight---all testable predictions.] I happen to think wormholes may well exist (note: I said they were theoretical, ie, in theory, not nonexistent---and that's true---the idea resides currently in the realm of theory, as we have no actual evidence). The problem I posit is that getting through one and "out the other side" intact is a whole different matter--and one that is critical for travelers.

[Harzburgite]

Originally Posted by Zohaar818

What theory if any do you posit that accounts for the observed phenomena of UFO's which defy 'earthly' explanation?
Curious..most curious

Which ones would those be then?
Skeptical...most skeptical.

[Zohaar818]

Originally Posted by Harzburgite

Which ones would those be then?
Skeptical...most skeptical.

So, you didn't clcik the links..eh? Did you visit the site about the belgian UFO controversy in 1989-1990..and see the radr read-outs, or the transcript of the news conference called by the Belgian Air Force?
Are you aware that the Brazilian, Belgian, Chilean, Peruvian, Mexican, Indian and Chinese military have all come out and stated for the record that they are totally convinced that UFO's exists and cannot have earthly origin?...that the Russains agree..and so do the Dutch and other NATO allies....that there are literally thousands of unexplained and unexplainable sightings now on record as verified by police and military officials.
If mainstream media in the US refuses to cover such stories it is not because the stories are untrue..but that publishing them would create public outcry for explanation and they simply won't get one from their leaders.
Instead most content is left for the internet which everyone knows is a huge source of disinformation ..the medium is the message..right..so if it's on-line it's less credible than Fox channel or CNN..[yeah-right]

Sometimes I wonder where the line of skepticism is crossed and it becomes more a matter of I refuse to believe that things are true which would upset me
-Zohaar

[Harzburgite]

Originally Posted by Zohaar818

Nor is eyewitness [sworn] testimony from those Americans we select to guard our national frontiers enough to sway them..:
http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/6monthsummary.htm

Testimony that I have to pay $70 to gain access to. Hmmm.
Let's examine a summary taken at random. I'll walk you through why it makes me uneasy.

Lt. Colonel Wojtecki spent 20 years in the Air Force and retired in
1988. He spent most of his time with Strategic Air Command and Tactical
Air Command. He tells of a night in April of 1969 while stationed at
Loring AFB in Maine when he and his flight instructor both saw three
very bright lights in a perfect equilateral triangle silently moving
across the sky. They estimated that this UFO was lower than 3,000 feet.
He discovered the next morning when he reported for duty that for six
hours, a UFO was seen hovering over a group of B-52's containing nuclear
weapons. Every time a plane drew near to the lights, they would part
and move in ways that were very unconventional. When the planes left,
the lights came together again and focused on the group of B-52's. Many
years later Lt. Col. Wojtecki attended a lecture given by SG and saw a
photograph of a UFO that was the exact configuration that he had seen
years earlier.
1. He had been in the airforce for one year or less. He was on a training mission. I ask myself where is the bulk of the attention of a rookie pilot on a training flight focused? On flying his craft or careful examination of some lights that do not constitute a danger.
2. A perfect equilateral triangle . How bizarre. The only way they could see that the pattern was a perfect equilateral triangle is if they were immediately above or below, otherwise perspective would distort the shape. It seems that the colonel was interpreting what he saw from the outset.
3. silently moving across the sky. Give me a break. He is inside an aircraft, jet or prop, but noisy either way, probably with a headset on, and he can tell these distant lights are silently moving across the sky. For this canard alone I should ignore the rest of the testimony.
4. The next part, about the B52s, isn't even eyewitness testimony, but hearsay. Quick scenario: rookie pilot sees UFO; other pilots wind him up 'yeah, must have been the same one that tailed Chuck's flight.'
5.hovering over a group of B-52's Hovering over planes doing around 500mph. How do you manage that then? Following them, while positioned above, yes. Hovering, no. But you see UFOs have to hover, and silently move, and form perfect geometrical shapes.
6.
Many years later Lt. Col. Wojtecki attended a lecture given by SG and saw a photograph of a UFO that was the exact configuration that he had seen years earlier. Stop press. Triangle appears in photograph.

Really, if this is typical of the evidence I am astounded you give it even a moment's credence.

[Raelian1]

The correct answer is: There's intelligent life in the universe and they've visited. In fact, there is life on Earth thanks to these aliens. It was aliens that created all life on Earth, including us. A lot of ancient books states this as fact including the Bible. The Hebrew word Elohim in the Bible means "Those that came from the sky" and not God. The Elohim used genetic engineering to create all life on Earth, including us. In 1973 and 1975 one of these Elohim, named Yahweh, visited our planet to speak to the last prophet Rael.

[infamous]

Originally Posted by Raelian1

The Hebrew word Elohim in the Bible means "Those that came from the sky" and not God. .

This should create quite a stir amoung those of us who consider ourselves to be Christains. Maybe this should have been posted in the religious forum, but then again, Raelian1 is speaking about aliens isn't he. Very interesting Raelian1, are you sure about the meaning of this translation for Elohim???

[nkt]

Raelian1,

would you be a Scientologist by any chance?

Panspermia is a clever idea, but it still doesn't solve the issue of where life came from, it merely shifts it elsewhere. If there was no ( God / Darwinian selection ) on Earth, but life came from someplace else, how did it get here?

More importantly, how did it get there? These aliens with FTL craft didn't just appear, did they? And how does it explain fossils? And subsequent evolution?

[infamous]

Originally Posted by nkt

Raelian1,

would you be a Scientologist by any chance?

Panspermia is a clever idea, but it still doesn't solve the issue of where life came from, it merely shifts it elsewhere. If there was no ( God / Darwinian selection ) on Earth, but life came from someplace else, how did it get here?

More importantly, how did it get there? These aliens with FTL craft didn't just appear, did they? And how does it explain fossils? And subsequent evolution?

Good point nkt. If not the earth, which planet do we travel to, to answer the question, "how did it start".

[Hawkens]

I voted for the first option, being Christian.

But.....I don't know.
I would like to hope we aren't alone and why would the Bible need to give mention to such things? There is alot of space out of there to just be created for just us. Somebody once told me that the universe was Heaven and your spirit was free to roam it when you die. Maybe that's what aliens are.

I know I love reading about sightings, crop circles and all that jazz. Anything relaed to space, I try to read about or watch on the tube.