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View Poll Results: Most likely candidate for future spacecrafts
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09-14-2008
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#21 (permalink)
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
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No, an object, regardless of it's mass, once in motion tends to stay in motion until acted on by an outside force. A more massive object is more difficult to slow down.
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No, if what you say was true, a rocket ship would not stop if it's rocket boosters were turned of, this is not the case.
Read this
I did a bad job of explaining why 'coasting' can't work, the larger an object is, the stronger it's higgs field is, because it's higgs field curves more, but the Higgs Field doens't want to stay curved, and it constantly pushes back, it's this 'uncurving' action that keeps the Earth round, and keeps the core of the Earth condensed.
The Higgs Field wanting to uncurve is what causes gravity itself, and the faster a spacecraft moves the more mass it acquires, therefore the stronger it's Higgs Field, ergo the stronger it's propulsion needs to be.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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09-14-2008
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
Because of the Higgs field your craft would stop in mid space once the sun becomes too distant to push it.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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09-14-2008
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
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Gardamorg, a magnetic field is not going to pick up anything that it not charged! Not dust, not helium, nothing! Charged particles are not common enough to support a space ship's evergy requirments.
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Could you post a link backing this claim up.
Seriously, you'd think, out of all the sites I've visited about the Bussard Ramjet, that they would have mention that a magnetic field ONLY picks up charged matter.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
Last edited by Gardamorg; 09-14-2008 at 12:57 PM..
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09-14-2008
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I don't believe you, at all because uncharged hydrogen doesn't sink through magnetic fields for some strange reason.
It's not the Magnetic field that fuses the hydrogen into plasma either, the hydrogen is just scooped up by the cone V shaped mag field, the actual fusion is performed from the machinery inside of the craft.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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09-14-2008
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Gardamorg, I know what i am talking about here, you totally misunderstood the higgs field article and you need to do some real research on magnetic fields and fusion. magnetic fields do not affect non charged particles, no machinery of any kind can contact fusion plasma. If you don't believe me then look it up. I wouldn't mislead you for the fun of it.
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Love is the poetry of life.
Nuclear is the only real option!
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
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I wouldn't mislead you for the fun of it.
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No, but you would mislead me if you truly believed that your theories were truth.
If an object is not constantly being pushed it will stop because of the Higgs field, and matter doesn't sink through magnetic fields.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
If a missile were flying through the air, and it's rocket boosters were turned off, it would slow down, and fall back to Earth.
Same thing with the Magnetic Sail craft, although it would be moving so fast that it would take a lot longer to slow down, it's weight would eventually catch up.
Larger objects actually slow down faster.
This is the way it works. You can't coast, unless coasting is just a long long long deceleration.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
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No, but you would mislead me if you truly believed that your theories were truth.
If an object is not constantly being pushed it will stop because of the Higgs field, and matter doesn't sink through magnetic fields.
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You are grossly misinformed my friend, what you are saying violates at least two or maybe three laws of the universe. Magnetic fields have no effect on uncharged particles and a moving object continues to move unless acted on by an out side force. These are some of the most basic principles of the universe. It's sad you cannot see this.
Newton's laws of motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Life is the poetry of the universe.
Love is the poetry of life.
Nuclear is the only real option!
http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx
Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?"
Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it
Proud graduate of Wossamotta University!
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
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You are grossly misinformed my friend, what you are saying violates at least two or maybe three laws of the universe. Magnetic fields have no effect on uncharged particles and a moving object continues to move unless acted on by an out side force. These are some of the most basic principles of the universe. It's sad you cannot see this.
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If a missile were flying through the air, and it's rocket boosters were turned off, it would slow down, and fall back to Earth.
Same thing with the Magnetic Sail craft, although it would be moving so fast that it would take a lot longer to slow down, it's weight would eventually catch up.
Larger objects actually slow down faster.
This is the way it works. You can't coast, unless coasting is just a long long long deceleration.
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Furthermore weight is an outside force, just like the Earth is an outside force keeping us on the ground.
Speed increases mass/weight, which is why punches hurt and nudges don't.
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"We believed the world would not be the same, a few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, I remembered a line from the Hindu scripture, the bagavagita, Vishnu was trying to convince the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, he takes on his multi-armed form and says, Now I have become death, destroyer of worlds. I suppose we all thought that, in one way or another"
-Robert J Oppenheimer, The atomic bomb
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Re: Most likely candidate for future spaceship propulsion
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Furthermore weight is an outside force, just like the Earth is an outside force keeping us on the ground.
Speed increases mass/weight, which is why punches hurt and nudges don't.
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Friction with the air is what slows down a missile, once in space an object free of the earths gravity or the suns gravity will continue to move until it is acted on by another force. No matter how massive it is. Speed only increases mass or weight when you are close to the speed of light.
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Michael
Life is the poetry of the universe.
Love is the poetry of life.
Nuclear is the only real option!
http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx
Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?"
Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it
Proud graduate of Wossamotta University!
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