Mind-Body connection

[paigetheoracle]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

In open-brain surgery, touching certain sections of the brain triggers old memories, induces certain smells, make the patient involuntarily say things that are completely out of context, induces hallucinations, etc. Every possible human experience can be triggered by playing around with the brain. Which is a strong indication that everything we are, our selves, are housed between our ears.

Not necessarily. What it could indicate is that like turning a tap on and off, this is the control or reception point for such things but not the source (Water runs through a pipe but we all know it comes from a reservoir elsewhere and H2O itself is in the atmosphere and the vaster sea, not just within the control area itself or within Man's ability to control it at all).

Philosophers 1 - Scientists 0 (Only kidding Boerseun - put down that death ray!).

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by paigetheoracle

Not necessarily. What it could indicate is that like turning a tap on and off, this is the control or reception point for such things but not the source (Water runs through a pipe but we all know it comes from a reservoir elsewhere and H2O itself is in the atmosphere and the vaster sea, not just within the control area itself or within Man's ability to control it at all).

Philosophers 1 - Scientists 0 (Only kidding Boerseun - put down that death ray!).

Not quite. In said brain surgeries, when parts are removed because of anurisms or localised cancer or any particular reason, the patient has absolutely zero memories of what was triggerred before they removed it. It's like an incredibly selective amnesia, with the borders and limits of what's remembered seemingly delineated by the borders of the section of brain matter thats been removed.

Our memories lies on the outside of the brain, in the cerebral cortex. This is due to evolution, adding ever more complex layers over the initial clump of nerve matter that made up the first brain. This has been tested and proven satisfactorily. You can remove pieces of any other part of the brain (or body, for that matter) and not have the same effect.

So, in a revised scoreboard:
Philosophers 0 - Scientists 1

[Taraxanoid]

It really depends what your opinion of "science" is.. How many tests and 'facts' does something require for it to be scientifically proven? That in itself is a philosophy. Can we safely say we know everything there is to know about the workings of the brain in relation to the 'storage' and creation of memories? No. There is always something to learn..

[Boerseun]

We won't even pretend to know how it works. But we know perfectly well where in the brain the data is stored. This has been satisfactorily demonstrated and proven.

[paigetheoracle]

[quote=Boerseun;166375]Not quite. In said brain surgeries, when parts are removed because of anurisms or localised cancer or any particular reason, the patient has absolutely zero memories of what was triggerred before they removed it. It's like an incredibly selective amnesia, with the borders and limits of what's remembered seemingly delineated by the borders of the section of brain matter thats been removed.

Our memories lies on the outside of the brain, in the cerebral cortex. This is due to evolution, adding ever more complex layers over the initial clump of nerve matter that made up the first brain. This has been tested and proven satisfactorily. You can remove pieces of any other part of the brain (or body, for that matter) and not have the same effect.

So, in a revised scoreboard:
Philosophers 0 - Scientists 1

Curses - foiled again! (Prof. Fate doesn't suffer fools gladly, especially if they're Professor Fate!). Still if I hadn't brought up that point, you couldn't have clarified your evidence and maybe wouldn't have needed to? Let me cogitate this some more - maybe I can come up with a logical explanation for this that leaves my argument intact - failing that I could always steal yoiur death ray!