Why do UFO's spin?

Originally Posted by alexander

I won't discuss this topic, like politics, unless you are going to approach it with an open mind, if you really want to go into it, pm me.

(1) I might just do that.

lol, i assure you they are not the only ones who are

(2) I know that too.

The again, Russians picked up the scram jet project, they are still developing ekranoplans, hopefully still developing ever-more reliable rocket boosters, and still make some of the most innovative and, call me byist, best, in terms of reliability and performance, weapons, in the world.... Those crazy bastards

(3) Yes they are because , like every military dictatorship, they ruin their own economy by pursuing defence, to the detriment of nearly everything else in their economy. Look at Burma's fear of letting in aid at the moment - they'd rather let the whole country die from the disaster, than risk it being exploited by outsiders.

lol, perhaps, though practice shows, sometimes the solution so much simpler then it has ever believed to have to be... also, whoever says that they propell themselves with advanced systems anyways? they could just jump from one point in the universe to another (according to quantum mechanics, its possible and apparently happens on the quantum level all the time anyways)

(4) Both these points are brilliant - the latter has been proposed before in UFO circles and as for the former, the blindingly obvious is usually the answer and missed because people are expecting/ wanting something else (You can lead Horst to slaughter but you cannot make him think). To me, I always found rockets fired straight up into space primitive (since the sixties at least) and am amazed that spiral trajectories are not used for vehicles going up (like planes) as well as coming down: Think of the fuel needed to defy gravity by this method, compared to what a conventional craft uses to reach the upper atmosphere as in test flights to the outer edges of space (Reasonable people will give you excuses why it has to be this way (defence of the old) and why the novel (new/pioneering) way is impractical but only experience belies the truth).


yes, well problem is that science describes things, if a scientiffic investigation explained the phenomenon, perhaps it was not, as those open minded people may think, what it was though to be... I find more open minded people believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories, and it seems that you can make them believe those theories rather easily. You are talking about the same group of open minded people, who believe that the twin towers were a covered up CIA operation, and that somebody paid Princes Diana's driver to crash...

(5) Well that's not me - I believe in human foibles (pilot error) and folly in most cases (drunk driver/ poorly designed building) and it is in the interest of those involved to cover up their mistakes, to keep up public belief in their abilities (George Bush/ The original Brinks Mat robbery).

And once again, don't take me wrong on this, i am not a pro anything person, i like to look at things rationally, and sometimes find myself pondering the rationality of those decisions to not be too byist(sp?), for hours, till my nose starts bleeding... (literaly)
So, i try not to be too byist in this thread, i did start off by attempting to describe that there is more likely then not, another planet with creatures of a sort there. But first of all, when i read the name of this thread, i could not help to think
"Why do UFOs spin?" .... "maybe aliens are trying to get that spinning sensation?".

(6) Maybe I should have entitled the thread "Why do 5.4% of UFO's appear to spin?"

I see your frustration of not being taken seriously, but you have to understand that this is a science forum, we don't believe anything until proven, by default, not a case of innocent till proven guilty, no; guilty, until mathematically proven that innocent makes sense, and guilty just does not work in the current model...

Originally Posted by LiveScience

...Roy applied his experience doing U.S. Air Force-funded plasma research to develop the propulsion system devoid of typical aircraft parts such as propellers and engines. Here is how it works: Electrodes lining the vehicle’s surface ionize the surrounding air. This creates plasma on the vehicle’s exterior. An electrical current sent through this plasma generates a force that not only produces the necessary lift and momentum. It also stabilizes the vehicle in windy conditions. ...