Evidence of lost time and physical scarring in UFO cases

[paigetheoracle]

The claim is made in a lot of these cases nowadays that lost time doesn't exist, it is just misperception. In my opinion this could be true in cases where the witness(es) are stationary but in cases where they are in a moving vehicle, objective not subjective time is involved. This could be measured scientifically to prove one way or another (average speed, if known times route distance), whether the incident happened in the real, physical world or in the mind. There is a well known Australian case of a woman describing being kidnapped by aliens as she stood by an investigators car, proving it was not happening physically in real time.

It is claimed that injuries abductee's claim happened to them during their abduction, is really just evidence of forgotten injuries. To me this is possible in some cases but speaks of lazy dismissiveness by those not willing to do the work of investigating the situation further.

Stigmata may point to the witness creating the marks themselves, through self-hypnosis (Stigmatics like Padre Pio, may have 'thought' the wounds into existence because they so wanted to be like their heroes but historical evidence shows that the way medieval artists depicted crucifixion and where such wounds occur in these people is not where they should be according to the way the Romans actually carried out the punishment: 'X' shaped not upright 'T', in the wrists and ankles, not the palms and feet).

This however cannot account for injuries to vehicles (radiation burns) and property. Some force did this and may well tie in with what Jenny Randles calls the Oz Factor or reality distortions (Silence and stillness, reality not reacting in other ways as it should). Albert Budden and Michael Persinger may have something in it being EM radiation in some form. A new theory in the field of physics called 'The Electric Universe' or something similar (see Wally Thornhill's site or Nexus magazine article, for details) could go beyond Newtonian Physics and pull in Quantam Mechanics, to explain this phenomena but I'm no physicist, so I don't know how and won't until somebody else in the field comes up with the necessary connections (Does the work I can't).

[William Honey]

Hello Paig, the physical scarring of the earth has happened. Indentions in the ground were found and the indentions were exact and the same distance from each other.

The indentions were the same depth and seemed to form a triangle as it were the legs
of a landing craft. Sightings of a craft were reported the night before these indentions
were left on the ground. The ground also seemed to be scorched between the indentions. When this was investigated by the local police they could not explain it.

Nothing ever came of these findings and it disappeared after the report. Governments
do not want people to be afraid or scared of anything, so they down play all these many
reports immediately. When people get scared they stay at home and do not go out and
spend money. When people stop spending money the country goes into a recession,
therefore it seems that all governments stop any press about anything that could scare
the people of that country.

Who knows how many things like this has happened and been played down to keep the
economy going. Just look at the economy right now and a lot of this bad economy is
fear to spend money by the people. There was plenty of gasolene a few weeks ago
yet people watching the hurricanes became afraid and went out and filled up their tank
and caused a short term shortage of gas.

I do believe that in all the UFO sightings that some of these could be real and it is
very possible that strange things could have happened. I don't want to say that people were abducted but fact is stranger than fiction. It seems that people are ready to jump on people and call them a liar if they tell the truth about what happened to them. I always keep an open mind and think that many things are possible in this huge universe. Some reports can not be explained.

Oh it was a weather balloon....LOL...ROFL

[paigetheoracle]

Originally Posted by William Honey

Hello Paig, the physical scarring of the earth has happened. Indentions in the ground were found and the indentions were exact and the same distance from each other.

The indentions were the same depth and seemed to form a triangle as it were the legs
of a landing craft. Sightings of a craft were reported the night before these indentions
were left on the ground. The ground also seemed to be scorched between the indentions. When this was investigated by the local police they could not explain it.

Nothing ever came of these findings and it disappeared after the report. Governments
do not want people to be afraid or scared of anything, so they cover up all these many
reports immediately. When people get scared they stay at home and do not go out and
spend money. When people stop spending money the country goes into a recession,
therefore it seems that all governments stop any press about anything that could scare
the people of that country.

Who knows how many things like this has happened and been covered up to keep the
economy going. Just look at the economy right now and a lot of this bad economy is
fear to spend money by the people. There was plenty of gasolene a few weeks ago
yet people watching the hurricanes became afraid and went out and filled up their tank
and caused a short term shortage of gas.

I do believe that in all the UFO sightings that some of these sightings are real and it is
very possible that strange things could have happened. I don't want to say that people were abducted but fact is stranger than fiction. It seems that people are ready to jump on people and call them a liar if they tell the truth about what happened to them. I always keep an open mind and think that many things are possible in this huge universe. Most of these real reports are covered up and we never hear of them until
a program comes on T.V. that shows an actual event that can not be explained.

With big brother government in control and covering things up to keep the economy
humming, we the public will stay in the dark unless we see something ourselves and
then who would believe us. I do believe that if a flying saucer landed on the white
house lawn and the president went out to greet the people inside the saucer
and this was all caught on tape, that the government would find a way to cover it up.

Oh it was a weather balloon....LOL...ROFL

My God - is it just you and me here, alone in this big thread!

Sadly all the above may be true but the aliens could be just as secretive to ensure their plans go ahead (cold war tactics on one side require cold war tactics on the other.

On top of this why land on the White House lawn when you can achieve what you want, mind to mind? The only reason the body is ever needed is where issues are not resolved through brain power alone: If I can sort out our differences over the phone, why meet? If I can't then it gets ballistic (physical).

The material world is there, inert/ neutral until it's brought to life by an idea to change reality into something new - anything else is so primitive, so unnecessary in concept as to be not needed. If you want space for a new building, you have to destroy the old 'establishment', to plant something new on site - if there is no opposition, then it should be less of a struggle than when it is violently opposed by the ruling 'body'. It's also like a video game - you don't have to be physically there to play it but your mind needs to be centred on where you are and you senses need to be focused on what you are doing.

Lets make it even more obvious - telepaths wouldn't even have to consciously let us know they are here, just program our minds overnight for the daily grind (Aliens and secret government could be one as David Icke has proposed, in his own blundering way, which doesn't mean it is hostile to our existence, which is where we differ). This connects with shamanism in tribal cultures and the priesthood in civilizations, guiding us where The Gods/Ancient Astronauts (Von Daniken)/Ancestors want us to go.

I hope this is all logical enough for everyone reading this to follow. By the way, looking at the way things are turning out you can kiss this society goodbye because it has lost its way (community dies at the flowering of a civilization as the wind blown seeds go their own way): Little off topic but you'll get the 'drift' and connection to the above I'm sure, being a pretty smart bunch despite the restrictions you are working under, mostly.