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 Thinking | Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel Moderation Note: Moved to Strange Claims For many years, claims of ‘Evidence of Time Travel being found by the Australian researcher Ronald Pegg’ have been circulating around the internet. He claimed to have found descriptions in ancient texts that match to the contents of a certain 1995 produced multi-media compact disk. This would mean that somehow, modern technology was taken back in time for ancient people to view. It is asserted that “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”. Now you have the opportunity to evaluate this specific claim with a ‘verse by verse’ examination of ten texts that he said contains proof. 10 Examples of Ancient Texts describing Modern Technology Use this link then go directly to the Evaluation Session (or read an Introduction beforehand). Last edited by modest; 10-25-2008 at 08:26 AM. | |
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 Astounding Vision | Re: Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel Quote:
---------------- Michael Life is the poetry of the universe. Love is the poetry of life. Nuclear is the only real option! http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx Check this out http://www.conservationfisheries.org...ream_lines.htm Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?"  Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it   | ||
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 Married man     Sponsor   | Re: Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel Quote:
Eddy, if you are trying to convince people of this stuff, you've probably taken a wrong turn on your route of advertising.  ---------------- Hypography Science Forums Moderator --- "There are no passengers on Spaceship Earth. We are all crew." - Marshall McLuhan "We must not forget that when radium was discovered no one knew that it would prove useful in hospitals. The work was one of pure science. And this is a proof that scientific work must not be considered from the point of view of the direct usefulness of it." - Marie Curie | ||
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| Astounding Vision | Re: Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel It blew my mind that he was trying to pass off a picture of a sylized dog (I've seen that picture somehow connected with Romans, Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome maybe) as a bull or a cow. It's a dog or a wolf but it is obviously not a cow. ---------------- Michael Life is the poetry of the universe. Love is the poetry of life. Nuclear is the only real option! http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx Check this out http://www.conservationfisheries.org...ream_lines.htm Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?" Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it | |
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| Married man Sponsor | Re: Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel True, but you must agree that they are holding a CD case, right?  ---------------- Hypography Science Forums Moderator --- "There are no passengers on Spaceship Earth. We are all crew." - Marshall McLuhan "We must not forget that when radium was discovered no one knew that it would prove useful in hospitals. The work was one of pure science. And this is a proof that scientific work must not be considered from the point of view of the direct usefulness of it." - Marie Curie | |
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| Astounding Vision | Re: Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel Quote:
 ---------------- Michael Life is the poetry of the universe. Love is the poetry of life. Nuclear is the only real option! http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx Check this out http://www.conservationfisheries.org...ream_lines.htm Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?" Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it | ||
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| Thinking | Its a She-Wolf, not a Dog Quote:
This is stated on one of the cd-rom’s HELP pages. So sorry, YOUR incorrect opinion on just ONE of the many exact matches doesn’t void the presentations, nor does it make anything else ‘suffer’. BTW, I do not know why different cultures described the She-Wolf and the Capital icons in different ways. Quote:
So here, just for you… Others have phrased your doubt in this way: “I don’t see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.” One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration. Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'. But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence. The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery. Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures... Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts. If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration. If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration. If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes…… But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ? The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt. (The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.) The Etrurian section shows things Eturian… The Roman section shows things Roman… The Greece section shows things Greek… The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician… The Carthage section shows things Carthagian… …and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon. Specifically... Regarding: "Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it." Based upon ten years of investigations - we believe yes. In the Old Testament (Ezekiel), New Testament (Revelation), and Qur'an (Mohammed) encounters where the cd-rom imagery is described, there is an Angel reported as being present, and in the Bible accounts, this angel has a 'sealed book with seven seals' that is opened, and from which 'visions' are seen by the prophet. That prophet's descriptions of these 'visions' are of the contents of the Ancients cd-rom. We conclude that this 'angel' is some form of time traveller. | |||
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| Astounding Vision | Re: Its a She-Wolf, not a Dog Quote:
---------------- Michael Life is the poetry of the universe. Love is the poetry of life. Nuclear is the only real option! http://www.nuclearspace.com/Liberty_ship_menupg.aspx Check this out http://www.conservationfisheries.org...ream_lines.htm Over heard from a three year old, "Daddy why do my toes get sticky when I eat strawberry jam?" Never wrestle a troll. You both get dirty and the troll likes it | ||
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| Thinking | A specific cd-rom instead of a flash stick RE: “Ok, lets assume you are correct, why would some future time traveler take an out dated piece of technology back in time with them? Why wouldn't they take a flash drive or something we dont' even know about? A flash drive makes much more sense than a CD-ROM.” I agree that a flash drive makes more sense (to us) but there was a reason. Here are answers to previous questions that should answer your question. Why did 'time messengers' keep taking back the same computer and cd-roms to the past ? The computer and cd-roms were the means by which certain information, particularly pictures, of the same modern events could be shown to ancient people in an attempt to make them document in their texts what will happen in their distant future. When it was discovered that a time experiment and visit to Mesopotamia was the initial cause of Religions, it was decided to show ancient people a particular future war (the 1991 Persian Gulf War) that will be fought in the name of Religion in the same country (now known as Iraq), in an attempt to persuade them that what the previous prophets saw was not from a divine God or gods . - Why were those particular cd-roms chosen ? Specifically, the Grolier cd-rom shows an audio-visual presentation of the future Mesopotamian (ie. Iraq) war. As previously noted, the Ancients cd-rom was relevant to neighbouring regions from which future civilizations would emerge. The RedShift2 cd-rom contains an astronomical event that occurred in 1992/4, being the comet ShoemakerLevy 9 incidents. They all contain particular historical information (ie. modern historical events and people) that provide a combined datable set of resources. While this data was shown to ancient people, it meant nothing to them, and as such, would not change or destroy the time line (ie. change our historical past). But because these (future) details were written down in ancient texts, when they actually occur (in the future), certain people would be able to recognize these events and literally decode the Bible (and other ancient texts). A more basic answer is that they are all of the same era, and as such, run on the same desktop computer system. One of the disks (Grolier) came with the PC386 cd-drive up-grade package. - Why did they take back a 386 personal desktop computer ? It was the minimum system that would run the four particular cd-roms. At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets. (From a religious perspective, this was the foretold 'unsealing of the Book with Seven Seals'.) That someone was Ronald Pegg from Queensland Australia (the biblical Second Witness). In contrast to all the previous ancient people who were shown the images on a computer due to some type of time travel encounter (ie. visions in a bright light by an angel), Pegg just went out and bought the current 'modern' computer package from his local shop - which just happened to include one of the cd-roms. If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system. As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms. - Why not return to the past with more sophisticated wireless hardware ? For similar reasons as previously stated. Pegg may not have recognised sophisticated wireless hardware back in 1998 when he first made his cd-rom discoveries. A report made by Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Sunday April 3 1836 in Kirtland U.S.A. appears to describe a laptop computer, but this has not yet been verified. - Where was the electricity source to power computers in the ancient world ? It is surmized that if the technology was available to make and send a time machine, chrononauts, and a computer back in time, then it would be a relative simple matter to power an older style computer. It was earlier explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer. - Explaining computer usage to grandparents can pose a huge challenge even when there is no language barrier. How long did the messenger(s) stay in the past to teach people how to use the compact disks (ie. the sealed 'history books') ? It is believed that each visit was very short, and that only the particular ancient person (now known as a prophet) was shown the cd-rom presentations on a computer so they could record what they were told and what they viewed. They were not taught how to use the computer as such, but some were specifically shown how to load a new compact disk and use the mouse themselves (eg. John of Patmos and Nostradamus). - What language would have been used to communicate with all the different cultures given the obvious language diversity ? We do not know the answer to that, but language may not have been totally necessary. Pictures were the medium. You do not need words to show men fighting (in the case of the Grolier's War presentation). Any modern language spoken by the time messengers would not have been understood by the ancient Mesopotamians nor the Egyptians. But this question may be relevant for later encounters. The Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean CD-Rom was distributed in the four languages of English, French, German, and Italian. Was the Italian version sent back to the Roman and Greek eras (and to John on Patmos island) along with an Italian speaking chrononaut specifically to communicate with the Latin speaking Romans and Greeks (cf. Delphi Oracle) ? Was the French version and a French speaking chrononaut sent back to Nostradamus ? Was the German version being sent back to Martin Luther in Germany the catalyst for the Reformation in the 1500s ? Did Joseph Smith Jnr view the English version in circa 1830CE ? - - - Extracts from WBD website’s Qs & As page (used with permission) | |
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