The proton thruster engine

[jerrygg38]

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Let us look into the future where we will have unlimited power for the Earth and the ability to bring a spaceship up to approximately 0.4C. That is about the safe limit of travel because if we go much higher, the distortions within the spaceship will tend to destroy the human body if we use present technology. It may be possible to compensate for the distortions by more advanced technology in the far future. At the present time we are limited by our present technology.
The proton thruster engine converts protons into photons by means of a spherical electromagnetic field which pulsates and concentrates upon a sharp point. Protons at the center point will aborb their binding energy and release photonic energy. As will be calculated shortly, the binding energy of the proton is 3.482MEV while the total photonic energy available from a proton is 938.272MEV. Thus for a small amount of input energy, the photonic converter pushes out approximately 270 times the energy.
Once we accomplish this we can produce spaceships which ride the beam of light. We can have a constant g of 32ft.per sec squared. Initially we will go at 2g to excape the Earth. Then we will reduce to g as soon as we are in the atmosophere. The net result is that we can travel halfway to the moon at standard gravity. Then we can reduce thrust and reverse our seats. Only for less than a minute we will be weightless. Then we will slow at -g.
It will take on 3.5 hours to reach the moon. It will take 2 days and 5 hours to reach Mars or Venus.
To get to pluto we will reach a top speed of 24 million miles per hour. It will take 25.4 days to get there. At the high speeds, we must provide a protective shield in front of the spaceship to destroy any rocks or particles in our way.
The proton thruster engine can be used to produce heat and electricity for life on Earth. It will eliminate the need for oil or coal for fuel. Thus it will aid in the recovery of the Earth's greenhouse problems. It will take about a $10 billion dollar program to build the first proton/proton converter. Thereafter it will only cost about 10 million dollars per unit.
The output beam is dangerous if you stand behind it. It will pump out a lot of photonic energy with X-rays and the like. When the engine is shut off, it is perfectly safe. The fuel is non-radioactive. It could be water, carbon, iron, or lead. Any thing that will be stable enough at the center of the field.
The project will probably take several years to produce the perfected engine. The problem with present technology is that they accelerate protons to the speed of light instead of merely adding the binding energy to release the photonic energy.
The calculations will be shown later in this thread. For the moment this is an introduction. All the calculations use the Einsteinian mass/energy formulas and the Bohr model of the atom. The dot-wave theory is not used as only standard physics are necessary to understand the binding energy of the proton.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by jerrygg38

Let us look into the future where we will have unlimited power for the Earth and the ability to bring a spaceship up to approximately 0.4C. That is about the safe limit of travel because if we go much higher, the distortions within the spaceship will tend to destroy the human body if we use present technology. It may be possible to compensate for the distortions by more advanced technology in the far future. At the present time we are limited by our present technology.

Why would travel at more .4 C distort the space ship and destroy the human body?

The proton thruster engine converts protons into photons by means of a spherical electromagnetic field which pulsates and concentrates upon a sharp point. Protons at the center point will aborb their binding energy and release photonic energy. As will be calculated shortly, the binding energy of the proton is 3.482MEV while the total photonic energy available from a proton is 938.272MEV. Thus for a small amount of input energy, the photonic converter pushes out approximately 270 times the energy.

This sounds exciting, can you show how this is done? Converting protons into energy would be the holy grail of energy. Have you made this spherical electromagnetic field?

Once we accomplish this we can produce spaceships which ride the beam of light. We can have a constant g of 32ft.per sec squared. Initially we will go at 2g to excape the Earth. Then we will reduce to g as soon as we are in the atmosophere. The net result is that we can travel halfway to the moon at standard gravity. Then we can reduce thrust and reverse our seats. Only for less than a minute we will be weightless. Then we will slow at -g.

Can you show how this will be accomplished?

It will take on 3.5 hours to reach the moon. It will take 2 days and 5 hours to reach Mars or Venus.
To get to pluto we will reach a top speed of 24 million miles per hour. It will take 25.4 days to get there. At the high speeds, we must provide a protective shield in front of the spaceship to destroy any rocks or particles in our way.
The proton thruster engine can be used to produce heat and electricity for life on Earth. It will eliminate the need for oil or coal for fuel. Thus it will aid in the recovery of the Earth's greenhouse problems. It will take about a $10 billion dollar program to build the first proton/proton converter. Thereafter it will only cost about 10 million dollars per unit.
The output beam is dangerous if you stand behind it. It will pump out a lot of photonic energy with X-rays and the like. When the engine is shut off, it is perfectly safe. The fuel is non-radioactive. It could be water, carbon, iron, or lead. Any thing that will be stable enough at the center of the field.
The project will probably take several years to produce the perfected engine. The problem with present technology is that they accelerate protons to the speed of light instead of merely adding the binding energy to release the photonic energy.

How far along are you now?

The calculations will be shown later in this thread. For the moment this is an introduction. All the calculations use the Einsteinian mass/energy formulas and the Bohr model of the atom. The dot-wave theory is not used as only standard physics are necessary to understand the binding energy of the proton.

Hasn't the dot/wave theory been shown to be completely unsupportable many times already?

[jerrygg38]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Why would travel at more .4 C distort the space ship and destroy the human body?

There are two possible solutions for the variation of length with velocity. One is the standard Einsteinian equations and one is modeled after Doppler Radar equations. The military prefers to use the Einsteinian equations with Doppler Radar correction. I cannot put a reference on these equation because they are part of the secret library. I really do not understand why this is so!
The way I see it, space and time are non-linear. This means from an Engineering perspective we use describing functions. When you study magnetic circuits describing functions are used to produce the best fit answer. I do not know if any of you have seen describing function equations. A long time ago they taught vacuum tubes at Polytechnic brooklyn. The non-linear solutions were converted into describing functions.
In this light from an engineering approach, the best fit to non-linear space time is the Einsteinian solution for orbital motion. The alternate solution for mass from a simple Doppler Perspective is

M(f) = Mo C/ (C-V)
M(r) = Mo C m(C+V)
The geometric mean calculates to be

Mx = Mo / [1-(V/C)^2] ^0.5

The first equation is the mass in the forward direction as a simplification of the more complex Einsteinian times Doppler corrections.
The second equation is the mass in the rearward direction as a simplification of the more complex Einsteianian time Doppler Corrections.

The third equation is the root mean square Doppler which is the Einsteinian.

Which is the best fit to the non-linear equation? I prefer the above. The real answer is very complex. You need a fourier series to approximate the real answer.

Now let us look at the Doppler length to the front and the rear.

The Einsteinian soluton is:

Lxg = Lo [1-(V/C)^2] ^0.5 (4-18)

In equation 4-18 the gravitational length as per Einstein for orbital motion shrinks as we move higher up. Alternatively Einstein felt that space shrunk. Thus the high speed particles arrive upon the Earth in a shortened distance so that they survive the trip. (I assume everyone is familiar with that)

Let us now look at the inertial length of the object. The Doppler length in the forward direction is:

Doppler front = Lxg [C/(C-V)
the Doppler length in the rear is

Doppler rear = Lxg [C/(C+V)

These are my simplified equations. Other people have produced very complex equations. From an Engineering viewpoint the simplified equations are sufficient to build things. The more complex equations are classified for some strange reason and from an Engineering perspective they are much too complicated to discuss. (They are beyond my math abilities)

Let us now make a chart of V/C verses the Einsteinian gravitational length and the Doppler length to the front and the rear.

V/C Grav. Length Doppler Length rear Grav Length front

0 1.0 1.0 1.0
0.1C 0.994987 0.90434 1.10554
0.2C 0.979796 0.816497 1.22475
0.5C 0.866025 0.577350 1.7321
0.99999C 0.004472 0.002236 447.2

Although the gravitational length of the object shrink, the inertial length increases radically. At 0.5C, the distortions are so great that how can anyone survive? Notice at clost to the speed of light, the Doppler length in the front is extremely large while the gravitational length is very small. This insures that the effect of an object arrives before the object and is one reason for the double slit experiment results.

It might be possible to overcome this in the far future but right now we are limited to less than 0.4C. O.1C is really safe. 0.2C stresses the human body. It may be possible to go to 0.4C. We will have to try it on animal life or bacteria life first. Why make the animals suffer? Use the roach!

I will answer the rest in a separate post because things get messed up if I make things too long.




This sounds exciting, can you show how this is done? Converting protons into energy would be the holy grail of energy. Have you made this spherical electromagnetic field?




Can you show how this will be accomplished?




How far along are you now?



Hasn't the dot/wave theory been shown to be completely unsupportable many times already?

To be continued.

[jerrygg38]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Why would travel at more .4 C distort the space ship and destroy the human body?




This sounds exciting, can you show how this is done? Converting protons into energy would be the holy grail of energy. Have you made this spherical electromagnetic field?




Can you show how this will be accomplished?




How far along are you now?



Hasn't the dot/wave theory been shown to be completely unsupportable many times already?

I work on theory. I have no ability to produce anything physical. If the government gave me $10 billion dollars I could produce a team effort to produce the first proton-photon converter. It would take a team effort several years like the atom bomb effort. My ex boss at Con Edison (Eddie Ebert) was the chief power electrical engineer on that project) that was a great effort.

As far as making a spherical field is concerned. No I have made nothing. The only interesting field at Sperry was the ring lazer gyro which I did a little work on. It was a team effort and I only had a small task. To build the spherical field you need electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists, project managers, etc... Hundreds of people are necessary for this task. It is not something I could build in my garage. (Now I do not even have a garage) I only have a 10x10 shed.

How we could switch the seats? They could just be switched like train seats. When you reverse the thrust you switch the seats.

How far along? Right now I just got to promote my ideas. The present Dot-wave theory as such is only 3 months old.

As far as Dot-wave being unsupportable, that depends upon the reader. some people like my work others dont. It takes awhile for responses. so far only two institutions have agreed to review it. However some professors liked my Doppler Space Time and I await their responses. I still haven't sent the manuscript to many countries.

[Moontanman]

I am under the impression that the distortion of High "C" travel would not be apparent to anyone on board the space ship. Only to those watching from the outside. to anyone on board the space craft it would be the universe outside that was distorted.

[jerrygg38]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I am under the impression that the distortion of High "C" travel would not be apparent to anyone on board the space ship. Only to those watching from the outside. to anyone on board the space craft it would be the universe outside that was distorted.

JG: Good point! The eye would be as distorted as the spaceship. The outside world in the forward direction would be blue shifted to the eye. It would be red in the rear. (I haven't even thought about how a planet in the distance would look.) I have been mostly looking from outside in. (My outside is a infinite light speed plane of reference as I believe that we coexist with hundreds of light speed dimensions from light speed zero to light speed infinity.)

In any event protons, neutrons, and electrons can go upward toward light speed C. The internal clocks of these partciles slow. Thus the workings of the bodies on the spacecraft will be distorted as viewed from the outside reference plane. the heart will slow as their bodies are stretched out. The blood pressure will fall. All the physical reactions will slow as well. Can we survive it? We can be frozen rapidly and then live after being warmed up due to our polar bear shut down reaction.
The only thing future man can do is test the limits. I feel that 0.4C is reasonably safe. I may be wrong. We may be able to go faster as the body goes into a survival mode which we have no knowledge of today.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by jerrygg38

JG: Good point! The eye would be as distorted as the spaceship. The outside world in the forward direction would be blue shifted to the eye. It would be red in the rear. (I haven't even thought about how a planet in the distance would look.) I have been mostly looking from outside in. (My outside is a infinite light speed plane of reference as I believe that we coexist with hundreds of light speed dimensions from light speed zero to light speed infinity.)

In any event protons, neutrons, and electrons can go upward toward light speed C. The internal clocks of these partciles slow. Thus the workings of the bodies on the spacecraft will be distorted as viewed from the outside reference plane. the heart will slow as their bodies are stretched out. The blood pressure will fall. All the physical reactions will slow as well. Can we survive it? We can be frozen rapidly and then live after being warmed up due to our polar bear shut down reaction.
The only thing future man can do is test the limits. I feel that 0.4C is reasonably safe. I may be wrong. We may be able to go faster as the body goes into a survival mode which we have no knowledge of today.

Any and all effects are from the stand point of the outside observer, the dude in the space ship notices nothing different in him self. even the chemical reactions in his body slow, down, his thoughts slow down, he would sail along the closer you get to "C" ever slower, more compressed in the direction of his motion yet to him the space ship, and all with in are the same because his sensory organs are part of the distortion and never be damaged in any way. all would appear normal to him. At his closest approach to "C" he would be virtually stopped from the stand point of an outside observer but to him all would be well and good.

[jerrygg38]

Originally Posted by moontanman

any and all effects are from the stand point of the outside observer, the dude in the space ship notices nothing different in him self. Even the chemical reactions in his body slow, down, his thoughts slow down, he would sail along the closer you get to "c" ever slower, more compressed in the direction of his motion yet to him the space ship, and all with in are the same because his sensory organs are part of the distortion and never be damaged in any way. All would appear normal to him. At his closest approach to "c" he would be virtually stopped from the stand point of an outside observer but to him all would be well and good.

jg: I do not agree that special relativity is correct. It is my theory that we have a true reference plane composed of higher light speed universes. Thus our universe exists in relationship to an absolute ruler and clock.
Einstein's equations are excellent for orbital motion. The test results show Einstein's equations to be quite accurate. There has never been a test of Einsteinian linear space time. The measurement of light never was in realtionship to a linear measurement. it was always a back and forth and perpendicular measurement.
Therefore from my point of view, the spaceship will distort relative to an absolute reference frame, the human eye will distort as well. The person body will slow and his heart will slow. At a certain velocity the person will die.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by jerrygg38

jg: I do not agree that special relativity is correct. It is my theory that we have a true reference plane composed of higher light speed universes. Thus our universe exists in relationship to an absolute ruler and clock.
Einstein's equations are excellent for orbital motion. The test results show Einstein's equations to be quite accurate. There has never been a test of Einsteinian linear space time. The measurement of light never was in realtionship to a linear measurement. it was always a back and forth and perpendicular measurement.
Therefore from my point of view, the spaceship will distort relative to an absolute reference frame, the human eye will distort as well. The person body will slow and his heart will slow. At a certain velocity the person will die.

Do you have any evidence to support your refutation of Einstein? You shouldn't make such statements with out some evidence to back them up.

If indeed everything is distorted at close to "C" why would death occur? His heart slows yes but so does the need for oxygen and all the processes slow as well in the same relationship to each other. From his perspective nothing has changed.

[TheBigDog]

I am not so interested in the notion of the distortion past .4c as I am in the viability of the engine. Can anyone shed any light of mathematics on this?

Bill