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Old 06-28-2009   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Making sense of the Universe

Here's wiki's explanation of the Big Bang:-

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Why should the Big Bang be a natural phenomena?
Why can't it be the result of some kind of engineering (by future scientists)?
I think the main problem is the Time Travel element.

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Yes time travel is a problem but by definition your machine has to contain the universe and in so doing is at least partially out side the universe, outside the universe is a big problem as well.....


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Yes time travel is a problem but by definition your machine has to contain the universe and in so doing is at least partially out side the universe, outside the universe is a big problem as well.....
The Second Life Universe is quite Big, yet it fits inside a computer! The Universe may only seem large, yet maybe it fits inside a USM (Universe Simulator Machine).

The USM sits in the chaotic energy environment of the Natural Universe, producing an unnatural ordered Simulation in which we all exist!

Crazy, heh.

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The Second Life Universe is quite Big, yet it fits inside a computer! The Universe may only seem large, yet maybe it fits inside a USM (Universe Simulator Machine). The USM sits in the chaotic energy environment of the Natural Universe, producing an unnatural ordered Simulation in which we all exist!
None of these simulations are done down to the resolution to "cover" the whole universe.
A BB simulation is on the scale of galaxies not people and their lives....

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As a science fiction story, it has a lot of potential.
As a scientific argument it is very incomplete.
To make this a scientific theory you need to first make a hypothesis.
The hypothesis should:
A) explain some aspect of visible phenomenon.
B) make a prediction about future happenings
C) Suggest tests that can be made that will disprove the hypothesis.

With your proposal, is there anyway to test for the presence of this machine/computer?


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Why would anybody want to go back in time to do this?

Why not change the narrative so that the Big Bang is actually very small, and the entire universe exist only for a smatter of a second in a collision chamber in some advanced alien society's version of the LHC? They (the aliens) collide a few particles at close to the speed of light (c at their scale), and are awe-struck at the few nanoseconds the debris fly away from the collision, not realising that in that debris field, consciousness arose in the form of humans on a much, much smaller scale - tiny sub-atomic particles on the alien scale being entire galaxies on the human scale?

The fiery plasma from the collision contains billions of year's evolution, it contains the rise and fall of the Roman empire, the first and second World Wars, everything from the Big Bang to the final icy death of the universe. And black holes are the particles that formed from sub-atomic particles, and at the end of the experiment, there are only particles left, as expected.

Somehow, the alien scientists detect the presence of intelligence in this collision debris, where (at our scale) it will be millions, if not billions of years in the future where we get to harnass the energy of entire galaxies and are able to let our presence be known to the alien's scale.

And then, at the end, the scientist aliens who conduct the experiment look up to the stars in their sky, and realise that they, too, are merely the result of some particle-collider existing at an even bigger scale...


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Re: Making sense of the Universe

The concept of the Universe as a "Super computing system" became to make sense to me since some time ago and I want to post here the comment I made in the "What if the planets and stars are natural supercomputing systems?" thread (http://hypography.com/forums/alterna...computing.html) in the "Alternative Theories" forum:
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Forgive me If I distract your (all in this thread) attention for a little but I would like you to consider (just for a little) some very unexpected possibility for Earth's core.

Some times we don't find just what we are not looking for.

I know it would be hard to accept mainly at a first view but became to make sense someway to me since some time ago.

Here it goes:

What if the Universe is much more alive than we curently believe and stars are not just a "ball of fire" and planets and moons are not just "balls of some earth".
What if some kind of what we could call "natural supercomputing system" (I mean some kind of "harware/software" system) could exist inside some "superprotective sphere" inside stars, planets, moons and some kind of "software entities" could actually exist being what we could call their "Gods" or something like that.
What if a sophysticated "super system" exist in the Universe in which those "software entities" communicate (through some totally unknown communication mechanism) in some sort of "Universal network".

What if what we, humans, are doing here at Earth with computers and the internet is the same that those "intelligences" do naturally.

I apologize if this would be a too "fantastic" possibility.

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Why are we suffering this crap? I thought this was a science site, not a science fiction site. (I really dislike science fiction, since it is generally used as a pass to ignore any or all of the accumulated knowledge of history and is therefore pretty unacceptable behavior in anybody over 12 years old, who would normally be admonished to act his or her age.)

Sorry, fellow Hypographers who like science fiction. I love you. It is only your science fiction that I hate.

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Why are we suffering this crap? I thought this was a science site, not a science fiction site. (I really dislike science fiction, since it is generally used as a pass to ignore any or all of the accumulated knowledge of history... ... ...
Because there are "big bad holes" in the "accumulated lnowledge of history".
We are trying to "fill" them and this could leave us for some unexpected ways, some of them treated with the help of "science fiction", do you mind? We are here in the "Alternative Theories" sub-forum. If you don't want to "waste your time" on them it's easy, just don't enter, just stay within the common sub-forums, but you know, may be someday you would need to enter here with some problem to treat and trying your own "unexpected way" because "normal ways" don't solve.

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Sorry, fellow Hypographers who like science fiction. I love you. It is only your science fiction that I hate.
It's your opinion and your decision.

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You're right. It's an alternative theory. I didn't notice it was an appropriate thread in an appropriate place until now. Sorry.

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