Making sense of the Universe

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Once upon a time.......

In the beginning there was nothing,
and out of the nothing there was positive and negative energy created,
(because in maths 0 = +1 -1),
But at this time it was a chaos of +ve and -ve energy.
But 23 Billion years later a machine was developed that harnessed this chaotic energy and was sent back to t = 0.0000000000001 Billion years and activated.

The machine was similar to a computer allowing a universe simulation to be run,
Making order out of the chaotic energy potential of nothing (which was used to power the machine).
The machine was unlike a computer in the sense that the simulation was made of the same stuff as the machine (just a transformation of energy).
And so the universe was born.

So if it wasn't for a machine being developed in the future and sent back in time,
the universe would just be a chaotic sea of energy.
The machine gives order to the 'universe'....gives the universe all it's laws and ordered energy.

End of Tale.


****** So do you think the above story is plausible?

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[Moontanman]

No, it depends on far too many ifs.

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Originally Posted by Moontanman

No, it depends on far too many ifs.

How do you mean "it depends on far too many ifs"?

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[Moontanman]

Ok, first I would like to say it sounds like it could be the basis of a good scifi story but reality dictates these huge ifs.

If time travel is possible

If a machine could be built that could operate inside the parameters that existed in the first few years of the universe. Remember there is nothing or anywhere outside the universe for the machine to exist in.

If the big bang theory is a reasonable description of reality

If the parameters of the universe could be changed or even need to be changed

Then there is the problem of the future changing the past to create the future.

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Originally Posted by Moontanman

Ok, first I would like to say it sounds like it could be the basis of a good scifi story but reality dictates these huge ifs.

If time travel is possible

Time travel could be designed into the simulation of the universe enabling the machine to be sent back through (or around) time.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

If a machine could be built that could operate inside the parameters that existed in the first few years of the universe. Remember there is nothing or anywhere outside the universe for the machine to exist in.

The OP idea is a different model of the universe. The 'Big Bang' would happen inside the machine like a simulation run on a computer. Imagine if a computer was sent back to tap into the energy potential of the universe, and once powered the 'simulator' is run. Therefore the Big Bang happens inside the computer.

I'm not saying it is a computer, but maybe the machine is like a computer.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

If the big bang theory is a reasonable description of reality

The problem with the Big Bang is that:-
1. can a 'Big Bang' come from nothing
2. how comes it's so ordered

Originally Posted by Moontanman

If the parameters of the universe could be changed or even need to be changed

I'm suggesting a different model. In the beginning chaotic energy coming into existence because it can spontaneously. Then creating a Universe simulator to tap into that energy from which those parameters are designed. The only problem is getting the machine back to the year dot.......

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Then there is the problem of the future changing the past to create the future.

'The beginning' (cause of everything) was the potential of the universe to create energy. Once there's that potential, and a way for the future to interact with the past, it becomes like a feedback loop causing resonance, ie. altering the chaos to produce an 'ordered' universe. All that's needed is something to do the altering (Universe simulator machine), and a way of manipulating time which may be a function of the simulator anyway and so easily manipulable.

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OR am I totally off my rocker.......

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[Solve]

Originally Posted by Solve

I'm suggesting a different model. In the beginning chaotic energy coming into existence because it can spontaneously. Then creating a Universe simulator to tap into that energy from which those parameters are designed. The only problem is getting the machine back to the year dot.......


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Getting the machine back to the year dot.........considering we are in the simulation, and the machine is made out of the simulation material.

This is quite a complex idea....I hope I'm making sense.


Or do you think I should completely forget about the idea?

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[Moontanman]

Not if you can demonstrate how is can be done....

[Solve]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Not if you can demonstrate how is can be done....

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by Solve

The problem with the Big Bang is that:-
1. can a 'Big Bang' come from nothing
2. how comes it's so ordered

This is a completely different discussion though, and it's been discussed many times already here at Hypography.

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Originally Posted by Tormod

This is a completely different discussion though, and it's been discussed many times already here at Hypography.

Why should the Big Bang be a natural phenomena?
Why can't it be the result of some kind of engineering (by future scientists)?
I think the main problem is the Time Travel element.

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