The Shroud Of Turin.

[Turtle]

not sure if you know of the issue/claims on the carbon 14 date coming from fragments that were repairs and not the original/main fabric. not sure if the matter is resolved yet either, but here's something on it all for what it's worth.

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/textevid.pdf

Originally Posted by M. Sue Benford and Joseph G. Marino

On August 28, 2000, at the Worldwide Congress "Sindone 2000" in Orvieto,
Italy, the paper entitled, "Evidence for the Skewing of the C-14 Dating of the Shroud of
Turin Due to Repairs" was originally presented. (2) This paper proposed a hypothesis that
a “patch” of material, from the 16th Century, was skillfully spliced into the 1st Century
original Shroud cloth in the C-14 sample used by the laboratories for testing; thus,
altering the date to make it appear more modern than the main Shroud. Several
supporting arguments were provided in this paper

[lemit]

Originally Posted by Don Blazys

We simply don't know anything about it. That's why it's a mystery.

Anything is a mystery when you close your mind.

--lemit

[Don Blazys]

To: Turtle,

Thanks Turtle,

That was an interesting and informative link.

It definitely adds to the mystery.

Don.

[Don Blazys]

To: lemit,

Quoting lemit:

Anything is a mystery when you close your mind.

I disagree. To an truly open minded person, anything and everything is a mystery.

As far as the authenticity of the Shroud is concerned, there are only two possibilities:

1) The Shroud is genuine. It really is the burial cloth of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, and the image is possibly a consequence of His resurrection.

2) The Shroud is not genuine. It is merely the most astonishing "work of art" ever rendered, and the most convincing (and therefore the most studied) "forgery" in history.

My mind is open to both possibilities. How about your mind?

Don.

[lemit]

Originally Posted by Don Blazys

To an truly open minded person, anything and everything is a mystery.

As far as the authenticity of the Shroud is concerned, there are only two possibilities:

1) The Shroud is genuine. It really is the burial cloth of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, and the image is possibly a consequence of His resurrection.

2) The Shroud is not genuine. It is merely the most astonishing "work of art" ever rendered, and the most convincing (and therefore the most studied) "forgery" in history.

My mind is open to both possibilities. How about your mind?

Don.

I collect art and find all of it astonishing. To make something out of nothing and to make that something resonate with the sensibilities of others is truly astonishing. I hope the art I create is astonishing too.

I was very curious about this thing, this shroud, although it seemed to smack of Medieval relics. I just wanted to know what it really was. Then I heard that a thorough scientific study sanctioned by the Vatican and everybody else with a true stake in the matter was being launched. I thought that was great. I've always been fascinated by cryptoscience and was amazed that somebody was actually going to close an open question. Then when I heard they had reached a conclusion, again sanctioned by everybody, I was thrilled that in my lifetime a centuries-old controversy had been put to rest.

I don't think it's closing your mind to accept a thoroughly documented study. If it were, we'd still be rationally questioning whether the earth is round, whether women have the same number of ribs as men, and whether it is possible to turn base metals into gold. Do we want to re-open those questions? No, let's not.

We learn, and having learned, we move on.

--lemit

p.s. Reducing God to a piece of cloth--making a piece of cloth vital to our belief in God--is very close to tragicomedy: a very large subject writ small.