Can Consciousness Effect Random Number Generators?

[Don Blazys]

Here's a really fascinating and unusual area of study with enormous consequences.

Global Consciousness Project -- consciousness, group consciousness, mind

Check out the "Bottom Line", where "global consciousness" seems to effect
the random number generators (so that their output is measurably less random)
in almost every instance where a "sufficiently significant" event (such as 911) occurs.

If this is "for real", then the implications are simply astonishing.

This thread is for the purpose of discussing those possible implications.

Don.

[Boerseun]

Well, no.

Originally Posted by From the linked site

The Global Consciousness Project collects random numbers from around the world. These numbers are available on the GCP website. This website downloads those numbers once a minute and performs sophisticated analysis on these random numbers to see how coherent they are. That is, how probable it is that the numbers are generated as they are. The theory is that the Global Consciousness of all the people of the world affect these random numbers... Maybe they aren't quite as random as we thought.

When randomly generated numbers from around the world overlap, it can be indicative of lots of things that those machines are exposed to, like solar activity, earth magnetic flux, etc. There is nothing to suggest that the combined "consciousness" of all the people on Earth will have any influence whatsoever that will be greater than that of the magnetic influence of the sun and the earth, both which have a global electrical influence.

The people on this website have already concluded what they want the result to be, and are now chasing data to support it.

Not scientific at all.

[UncleAl]

If prayer, telepathy, telekinesis... any brain modality individual or summed made any difference at all, Bill Gates would be a smoking crater so many times/day. Nobody cleans out Las Vegas slots by thinking at their chips. Global financial transactions are not compromised by thinking at their encryption.

Any ship can be a mine detector... once.

[Don Blazys]

To: Boerseun,

Quoting Boerseun:

There is nothing to suggest that the combined "consciousness" of all the people on Earth will have any influence whatsoever that will be greater than that of the magnetic influence of the sun and the earth, both which have a global electrical influence

The people on this website have already concluded what they want the result to be, and are now chasing data to support it.

Not scientific at all.

Supposedly, the "Global Consciousness Project" is a worldwide network of esteemed
scientists, mathematicians and engineers, based and headquartered at Princeton.
(You know, the university whose hallways were traversed
by the likes of Albert Einstein and Kurt Godel.)

Perhaps we should inform them that they are all a bunch of kooks, cranks, crackpots,
loonies and crazies for spending millions of dollars and countless hours
on this "wild goose chase" !

Don.

[freeztar]

I'm always wary of such statistics. Is the cat alive or dead?

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by Don Blazys

Perhaps we should inform them that they are all a bunch of kooks, cranks, crackpots, loonies and crazies for spending millions of dollars and countless hours on this "wild goose chase" !

Don.

Maybe we should!

[Don Blazys]

To: uncle Al,

Quoting Uncle Al:

If prayer, telepathy, telekinesis... any brain modality individual or summed made any difference at all, Bill Gates would be a smoking crater so many times/day. Nobody cleans out Las Vegas slots by thinking at their chips. Global financial transactions are not compromised by thinking at their encryption.

Any ship can be a mine detector... once.

This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with prayer, telepathy,
telekinesis, Bill Gates, thinking at chips or encryption.

It's a lot more subtle than that.

The effect being studied is clearly quantum mechanical in nature,
and the statistical analysis of that effect over a period of ten years has
demonstrated that the probability of that effect being real is almost
"probability 1" or "certainty".

Don.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by Don Blazys

The effect being studied is clearly quantum mechanical in nature,
and the statistical analysis of that effect over a period of ten years has
demonstrated that the probability of that effect being real is almost
"probability 1" or "certainty".

I went to that site, and they present no alternative hypotheses as to what might cause it.

They simply assume that it is caused by some sort of "global consciousness" - and now they're enumerating instances in support of their wacky hypothesis which could very well be caused by hosts of other reasons. This is not science.

In my first reply to this thread I have presented two alternative hypothesis with a much higher probability for being the cause of their measuring than "global consciousness". If it is indeed "global consciousness", then James Randi is out of a million bucks.

Show me the check with Randi's signature on it, and we'll take another look at this.

[Don Blazys]

To: Freezstar,

Quoting Freezstar:

I'm always wary of such statistics. Is the cat alive or dead?

What cat? All I see is a box with some kind of radiation detector attached to it !

Don .

[freeztar]

What box?