Future Scientists

[Kizzi]

Paultrr said.......

Originally Posted by paultrr

If it was already natural that this false vacuum state would decay and it can be shown that such a decay would generate all the matter one finds in this universe there is no logical reason to invoke that somehow we must have devised a way of bringing ourselves into existence.

My physics isn't too good, but doesn't ENERGY have to have a source? Or doesn't the FALSE VACUUM have to have a source? Doesn't anything that's not VOID have to have a source? If something is 'running down' (ENERGY STATE) since the beginning, what's the source of the initial state? As I said my physics ain't too good.

I'm of the (logical) opinion that initially there was a void, and that there would still be a void, if it we're for some form of intelligence(s) devising a way of bringing themselves into existence, and I expect Future Human (Or ALIEN HUMANOID) is the intelligences.

Could future scientists have devised a way of creating a Super Super Reality Machine SSRM (Advanced computer like machine) out of the Void. Could we be akin to software, information within the SSRM.

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[Kizzi]

I suppose if 0=+1-1 then 0 energy = + energy - energy!

Could the false vacuum have initially 0 energy,
but that decayed into +energy & -energy?
or matter & anti-matter?

Perhaps anti-matter was extremely unstable,
but matter was extremely stable,
this would account for the disappearance of anti-matter.
Is there any sign of what anti-matter degenerated into,
or why it would be unstable?

But if 0=+1-1, and if -1 was unstable,
unstable enough to disappear,
whats to stop +1 developing into {x,y,z},
and after z becoming intelligent,
to design a machine out of x & y,
and providing one can send the machine back through time,
to help in the 0=+1-1 process?

If we could get back to time zero and encourage the initial conditions to our benefit,
knowing what we do is going to 'Help' us in some way,
then we'd hardly stand back and idle-y let nature take it's course!

If time could be travelled,
this could set up a feedback loop,
the future encouraging the past,
moulding it,
to create the desired future:-
The emergence and application of intelligence:-
Humanoids.



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[Kizzi]

Lets say we get access to the latest supercomputer,
and create a 'False Vacuum'.
Do you think it might be possible,
that some software humanoid in 'the future of the supercomputer',
has been able to mould the 'False Vacuum',
in order to bring the software humanoid into existence?

In otherwords,

would a computer simulation of a False Vacuum produce a universe with software humanoids of its own accord,

OR

would software humanoids produce a simulation of the universe in order to bring themselves into existence.

OR

would the software humanoids try to design the supercomputer itself, only to realize its already been done?



Kizzi

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aaaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhh!!!!!

Uncle Al!!!!

Help!!!

[nkt]

Right.

Assume that there was a big mess of stuff, compressed down to an unimaginable level. Turn of the magic compression field, and it will shortly start to expand.

Now, the energy that is in there is governed by E=mc^2, as is the matter. Let's assume everything was just energy, as it makes the next step easier.

As the energy converts into matter, it can become either matter or anti-matter.

As far as I know there is no explanation for why one side beat the other side, as all our experiments so far have shown that antimatter is exactly the same as matter in as much as mass being the same, stability, size, energy required, charges, etc.

However, it is postulated that at least one of the more common forms of anti-matter must be slightly less stable than the matter form, therefore some of this antimatter decayed back into energy, and therefore was not available to interact with the matter that was also formed. This lead to a dominance of matter over anti-matter.

Note that we could reverse the convention, and say everything we see was antimatter, and it would make no fundamental difference, in the same way that positive and negative are simply conventions.


EDIT: To avoid post whoring.

I just went back and read the first posts... Uncle Al forever!

Back to the road apples.

First there was nothing, then it exploded. That's the basic idea. (I think it is cyclical, an endless series of crunch:bangs. No, I have no idea which came first/what came before that!)

You could, in theory, get energy out of the vaccuum (what you call the void) using two plates with charge on them, and use some weird quantum effects to prevent the particles from recombining. Since you can let some of them decay while other half pairs have a longer half-life, you could probably do something with them. Use them to power your wormhole teleporter machine, or something...

[Kizzi]

Originally Posted by paultrr

If it was already natural that this false vacuum state would decay and it can be shown that such a decay would generate all the matter one finds in this universe there is no logical reason to invoke that somehow we must have devised a way of bringing ourselves into existence.

Then is there a God?
(There could still be a God I guess but not the God that we think, since the creation of the universe would be a natural phenomena).
The Creation event in the Bible, Koran, Torah would be misleading............



Then what role do the future scientists play?
If they could just create a Super Reality Generator and become one with the software inside before bringing themselves into existence!



I think science has a whole lot more to find out,
and as I have to believe in something,
whilst considering the worst possible scenario,
to me it makes sense to support scientists
and hope they will find the solution to each and every problem!!!!!



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It's amazing to think that the universe just popped into existence because of the false vacuum!

Just a quick question.......why didn't gravity cause all the matter to form a black hole in the beginning, say x seconds after the big bang? Is it simply because the rate of expansion of the early universe was greater than the force of gravity?

Is the rate of expansion even greater now? So can one work backwards and know the rate of expansion of the universe x seconds after the big bang?

So, if the rate of expansion is greater now than x seconds after the big bang, why do black holes form now?

x expected to be a small number.

Something tells me this universe could possibly be a wind up.......there's an inconsistency in the above questions.



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Wow.

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Maybe the rate of expansion outwardly (from the Big Bang origin point) is much greater than the rate of expansion between two close points on the (naturally created) sphere. Therefore no black hole could form x seconds after the Big Bang (rate of expansion too high), but later, even though the 'outward' expansion increased as time flew by, the rate of expansion between two close points on the sphere was/is slow enough to allow formation of black holes?

It all came to me today!

Does this mean, as the rate of expansion between two points on the sphere is accelerating, the day will come when the rate of expansion will be two high to allow the formation of black holes?

I'm assuming the universe is like an ever increasing sphere! Not really sure about that.



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Q. Why didn't the matter created by the Big Bang form a black hole (very) soon after the Big Bang?



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