Future Scientists

[Kizzi]

Do you think future scientists will devise a way of bringing themselves into existence, and is what we see around us the future scientists way for doing this?

The way I see it is if one imagines what it would be like without the universe, then I expect the enviroment would be VOID (Absolutely nothing).

So there seems to be one of two stable states for the universe:-

1. Void, and remaining Void for eternity.
2. Intelligent, where the intelligence devises a way for bringing itself into existence.

So what I'm suggesting, because we're here, is that we can conclude that State 2 is the stable state for this universe.

Also, along similar lines, I think a universe supporting intelligence (human/alien) is far more likely to exist than a universe which doesn't support intelligence. In fact I'm inclined to suggest that if a universe couldn't support intelligent life it wouldn't exist.....Only a VOID would exist.




My final question is:-

Do you think future scientists will devise a way of transferring the consciousness of every living being that has ever existed, a nanosecond before death, to man-made eternal bodies in a man-made heaven for eternity?



Kizzi

[UncleAl]

Time travel violates causality. The universe does not tolerate contradiction. Reality simply happens. Mathematical models seek to emulate reality. There is no magic associated with reality, nor intelligence, nor is the death of anything including intelligent beings in any way special. There is no creator or caretaker, there is no "grand accounting" for your life. Violence is the solution to everything.

Do want you want - and be personally responsible for your actions. Remember the Eleventh Commandment and keep it wholly.

First World civilization collapses around 2015 when its Baby Boomers are retired and demand their free ride. Western civilization collapses by 2050 when all accessible petroleum reserves are exhausted. Earth can support at most 1 billion people living short, brutal, Third World lives. Like bacteria coming out of log growth phase in cell culture, it is way too late to avoid the Fall.

Have a nice future.

[Boerseun]

This Universe is ruled by ONE deity. Omnipotent, immortal, you name it - and His Name is Uncle Al.

[infamous]

Originally Posted by Boerseun

This Universe is ruled by ONE deity. Omnipotent, immortal, you name it - and His Name is Uncle Al.

Ha,ha,ha,.....Good one Boerseun; But truly, Uncle is quite intelligent, if you have a queston about chemistry, he is quite capable of giving you a good anwser. Just overlook his delivery.

[orbsycli]

he accells in both content and delivery, if you ask me.

[infamous]

Originally Posted by orbsycli

he accells in both content and delivery, if you ask me.

I certainly agree with you Orby on the content of Uncle's posts, but I would like to put the question of his delivery to a vote. Democracy at work.

[Boerseun]

Uncle Al's right to make an ass out of any idiot posting utter horsesh*t, must be defended! Democracy at work!

[Kizzi]

I know no one knows for sure about what caused the Big Bang, but I just think it's a bit illogical that from absolutely nothing, a Void, the Big Bang just happened due to some natural phenomena.

On the other hand I think it's logical that 'this place' could exist in one of two states as described above.

For example, imagine for one moment we're not here, and the universe is not here......just a Void is here. Then surely it's LOGICAL that the Void will stay VOID for eternity unless something(s) can devise a way of bringing itself(themselves) into existence. So the question is, since we're here, did our descendents devise a way of bringing themselves into existence, and is what we see the method our descendants used?



Kizzi

[paultrr]

Originally Posted by Kizzi

I know no one knows for sure about what caused the Big Bang, but I just think it's a bit illogical that from absolutely nothing, a Void, the Big Bang just happened due to some natural phenomena.

On the other hand I think it's logical that 'this place' could exist in one of two states as described above.

For example, imagine for one moment we're not here, and the universe is not here......just a Void is here. Then surely it's LOGICAL that the Void will stay VOID for eternity unless something(s) can devise a way of bringing itself(themselves) into existence. So the question is, since we're here, did our descendents devise a way of bringing themselves into existence, and is what we see the method our descendants used?



Kizzi

For one the term "void" is not scientifically accurate to begin with. Its actually a left over from Biblical ideas of the origin of everything. The vacuum state this universe arose from was not a void or empty thing to begin with. It is what's known as a false vacuum state. The term "False" denotes it as unstable and subject to decay. Its unstable because it was not in its lowest possible energy condition. That implies at the start that there was energy there in what some term a void. By definition that alone says that the term void is the wrong term to be thinking of or using. Being unstable also tells us that the starting condition of the vacuum was such that it was bound to decay to a lower one which rater throws out the next argument you utilize. At that point all the rest is speculation based upon poor understanding of the concepts involved in the first place. If it was already natural that this false vacuum state would decay and it can be shown that such a decay would generate all the matter one finds in this universe there is no logical reason to invoke that somehow we must have devised a way of bringing ourselves into existence.

[Boerseun]

Originally Posted by Kizzi

did our descendents devise a way of bringing themselves into existence, and is what we see the method our descendants used?



Kizzi

I don't know about you, but the method my descendants normally use to come into existence, is to give me a late night out and a bottle of red wine. Some flowers for the intended victim normally helps, as well.
Now my ancestors, on the other hand, had a totally different way of coming into existence. They just clobbered hot-looking chicks over the head with anything close-by.