Biblical evidence that birds came 'from water'.

[dduckwessel]

According to the Bible there were two kinds of evolving which took place on earth; 'in water' or 'on land'.

Sometimes the reverse happened and a land animal went into the water and evolved into an aquatic creature or visa versa. However, in the case of birds, they were first 'fish'.

Recent findings by paleontologists have found serious evidence to suggest that birds evolved 'from water' and the Bible concurs with this finding. (Not that I would consider that finding less seriously if I did not find Biblical evidence, but I was rather excited to discover it.)

The Bible gives some details about the beginnings of earth (Genesis): "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven (sky)." (parentheses mine, Gen. 1:20) So then, according to the Bible the 'waters' brought forth 'fowl' (birds). Verse 21 says the same thing: Speaking about 'aquatic' creatures; "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind..."

I believe 'scales' are the precursor of 'feathers', they lay in the same pattern, overlapping.

[UncleAl]

According to the Bible

Hindus have 36 crores of gods - 360+ million gods - and literal tonnes of sacred texts dating back way before the bible was cribbed. You are out-voted.

[dduckwessel]

Originally Posted by UncleAl

Hindus have 36 crores of gods - 360+ million gods - and literal tonnes of sacred texts dating back way before the bible was cribbed. You are out-voted.

Actually you're wrong - the Bible goes back to the very 'beginning'!

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by dduckwessel

Actually you're wrong - the Bible goes back to the very 'beginning'!

I think you missed UA's point completely.

Anyway, what is your post doing in a science forum? It lacks backup of any kind - we do not accept the Bible as scientific proof.

You do not even state what parts of the Bible you are referring to.

[dduckwessel]

Originally Posted by Tormod

I think you missed UA's point completely.

Anyway, what is your post doing in a science forum? It lacks backup of any kind - we do not accept the Bible as scientific proof.

You do not even state what parts of the Bible you are referring to.

I didn't miss his point and I think he can speak for himself - I know he was pointing out in an amusing way that one God was out-voted by 'many' hindu gods.

'You' missed my point that I had some serious evidence within the Bible itself that birds evolved from water. Does that bother you Tormod, that there is actual 'Biblical evidence' for such?

And I did 'state' what 'parts of the Bible' I was referring to and gave the exact location of the verses (numbers) in Genesis, perhaps you had better go back and re-read.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by dduckwessel

'You' missed my point that I had some serious evidence within the Bible itself that birds evolved from water. Does that bother you Tormod, that there is actual 'Biblical evidence' for such?

When The Metamorphosis says that "When Gregor Samsa woke up one morning after unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a giant insect" is that proof that man can be transmogrified into insects? Or is the Bible somehow different? Is its evidence in the form of a falsifiable hypothesis subject to repeatable analysis?

Now in fact there is lots of evidence is emerging that birds evolved from dinosaurs. In so far as we know that going back many evolutionary steps from dinosaurs that land creatures evolved from sea creatures (dinosaur "skin" shows similarities to "scales" as an intermediate step to "skin with feathers"), so the theory you are propounding is "right" in a sense, although if you leave out enough detail, just about any theory can be "right"...

If you'd like to show that the Bible is verified by science, that's a worthwhile endevour that many would be interested in, but you've got to remember that lack of specificity is not very convincing. Your arguement here is very close to interpreting Nostradamus or the Da Vinci Code: you can draw just about anything you want out of vague statements.

Cheers,
Buffy

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by dduckwessel

'You' missed my point that I had some serious evidence within the Bible itself that birds evolved from water. Does that bother you Tormod, that there is actual 'Biblical evidence' for such?

Sorry mate. This is a science forum. There is no such thing as "Actual Biblical evidence". Like Buffy points out, literature is not evidence for anything - the Bible is only evidence for the faithful. You need to bring scientific evidence into the discussion.

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by dduckwessel

Recent findings by paleontologists have found serious evidence to suggest that birds evolved 'from water' .

Which findings?

[Boerseun]

Actually, you're right!

Birds do, after a long chain of evolution, come from the sea.

So do we.

As well as worms, ants, wasps, donkeys, cattle, green poison-arrow frogs, salamanders, everything you can think of.

The Bible, however, has nothing to do with it, and doesn't constitute 'evidence'.

[Chacmool]

dduckwessel, I'm afraid your argument is just about as valid as claiming that frogs can turn into princes, and using the fairytales recorded by the Grimm brothers as your "evidence".