is the speed of light the fastest speed possible?

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by rocket art

You cannot refute either, that Consciousness is a valid, unquantifiable existence, just as gravity cannot be refuted even when there's no physical particle to identify it with. And to deny the reality of consciousness is falsifiable in itself.

So are you suggesting that there must be a particle of consciousness in order to prove it? You're argumentative because you feel strongly. That's good. What I want is more. You're "this is right because I know it is," is frankly a bullshit position. You can do better... I hope.

[rocket art]

To quantify the unquantifiable, and to seek particle from the intangible would be a feat in itself. However I may as well reply on it with poetics:

"Consciousness is Energy with the Eloquent Patterns." -rocket

Now you've got stuff.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by rocket art

"Consciousness is Energy with the Eloquent Patterns." -rocket

Poetry is fun, I love it. But it ain't science. "Eloquent" is a quality, not a quantity, so who gets to decide what's eloquent? You?

Originally Posted by rocket art

Now you've got stuff.

Nope. This is still content-free, dude.

Earning is more effective than demanding,
Buffy

[rocket art]

Originally Posted by Buffy

Poetry is fun, I love it. But it ain't science. "Eloquent" is a quality, not a quantity, so who gets to decide what's eloquent? You?

Be more holistic then because there are far greater challenges ahead; why not make science fun and lovely too at par with poetry? It's more eloquent. If a specie decides to create a civilization and eat with fork, rather than remain hanging up on trees, shaking twigs and catching bugs, that would be far more eloquent. Don't you think so?

[infamous]

Originally Posted by rocket art

why not make science fun and lovely too at par with poetry?

Science is what it is, no more no less than discovery that can predict a repeatable result. Sometimes lovely, but sometimes its ugly, what you see is what you get. We can't really make it anything but what it is, the truth about nature. Sometimes that truth is difficult to deal with, nonetheless, the truth remains the truth...................Infy

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by rocket art

Be more holistic then because there are far greater challenges ahead;

And what pray tell are those?

Originally Posted by rocket art

why not make science fun and lovely too at par with poetry? It's more eloquent.

Of course it is! But you can't *prove* anything with eloquence! It just makes it fun and enjoyable! I love art, and it actually helps me do science by providing insight and intuition, but since it is interpretive, its not something I can use to prove anything to anyone else.

So the question becomes, what do you want to do with "eloquence?"

Originally Posted by rocket art

If a specie decides to create a civilization and eat with fork, rather than remain hanging up on trees, shaking twigs and catching bugs, that would be far more eloquent. Don't you think so?

I would call it more "loquacious" and "inscrutable" and "audacious." And its also very "purple." See how easy it is to get creative? But is it useful, other than to make it sound like one is, well, "eloquent" without really being so?

The universe is perspicacious. My, I understand it so much better now!

Light and flaky,
Buffy

[rocket art]

Originally Posted by infamous

Science is what it is, no more no less than discovery that can predict a repeatable result. Sometimes lovely, but sometimes its ugly, what you see is what you get. We can't really make it anything but what it is, the truth about nature. Sometimes that truth is difficult to deal with, nonetheless, the truth remains the truth...

Agrees. Not only that, science is also amoral. However, to decide with the awareness that science will be a tool for human development rather than a tool for its destrution, would definitely be a more preferable decision to make for something. Real Truth is not solely on the objectivity of it, but relatively to our being Human, because just as nature is, we also exist, yet we are expected to be more eloquent beyond it, as living, Conscious observers to these 'observed' environments.

Originally Posted by Buffy

But is it useful, other than to make it sound like one is, well, "eloquent" without really being so?

The universe is perspicacious. My, I understand it so much better now!

Useful? For our survival other than the alternatively less eloquent, or even uglier scenarios of how we make of it ahead, surely it is useful.

I think the universe is far more interestingly unintelligible than that. Answers about the Universe will eventually unfold like questions, and that's what keeps existence going.

[Pyrotex]

Rocket art,

you still sound like someone who has fallen out of a tall tree.

[rocket art]

More like soaring, with all these images I perceive whizzing around and ideas at FTL.