Hydroplate Theory

[ughaibu]

Is this the theory that would've resulted in Noah being steamed?

[Southtown]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

For the sake of discussion let us assume the theory is true. How does the theory explain the original single supercontinent? What it would require is the opposite side of the earth generating all the waves so they crash in one place. I suppose a giant asteriod might fit the bill.

Another consideration is connected to hydrothermal. The temperatures and pressure within and below the crust change the properties of water into a hydrothermal state, where crust material begins to dissolve at ever increasing rates, i.e, beginning at the critical point of water. Hydrothermal waves under the crust would be a very corrosive medium that would thin the crust. This could be benficial in that when critical thinness occurs there is upheaval due to wave pressure.

I get the feeling you're talking about Pangaea. Are you detailing how it could be lifted by water? In case you're referring to Pangaea, the super-continent that the hydroplate theory envisions encircled the entire globe, encapsulating approximately half of the water on the earth's surface today and containing about twice the mineral content.

The subterranean water was sealed under about 10 miles of granite crust and underlyed by oceanic basalt. The remnants of this "super-continent" are our continents which are bordered by the continental shelves. After the rupture, they supposedly contracted, buckled, and thickened under their own weight, pushing down on the basalt beneath and pushing up the mid-oceanic ridges.

[maikeru]

Originally Posted by ughaibu

Is this the theory that would've resulted in Noah being steamed?

Yes, he and all the animals on the ark...just theoretically speaking, of course.

[ughaibu]

Quite funny I guess, if one can handle the shock of accepting that there are people who believe the story of Noah: Walter Brown's Hydroplate Theory

[Southtown]

Originally Posted by ughaibu

Is this the theory that would've resulted in Noah being steamed?

Good question. Glenn Morton did in fact write a rebuttal to Walt Brown's theory which attempts to prove that all life on earth would have been poached by the escaping waters. However, Morton doesn't adequately represent Brown's initial assumption.

Walter Brown's Hydroplate Theory (By Glenn R. Morton)

1) The upper granite was not completely suspended by the subterranean water. Variations in the thickness or density of the upper granite crust displaced the water, allowing the thicker portions to sink into the lower basalt and the thinner to rise. The surface water then sank into the granite depressions and exposing the thinner, uplifted portions of granite.

The Hydroplate Theory: Key Assumption

2) The subterranean water was supercritical fluid.

http://www.iupac.org/publications/pa.../5901x0025.pdf

"Most hot liquids cool primarily by evaporation from their surfaces. SCW [supercritical water] consists of microscopic liquidlike clusters dispersed within water vapor. The rate those hot clusters and most hot objects cool off depends on their total surface area. The smaller a particle, the larger its surface area is relative to its volume, so more of its heat can be quickly transferred to its surroundings. The liquid in SCW has an area-to-volume ratio that is a trillion times greater (10^12) than that of water that might have covered the earth’s surface. Consequently, the liquid in SCW cools almost instantaneously if its pressure drops. This is because the myriad of liquid clusters, each surrounded by vapor, can simultaneously evaporate. A typical SCW cluster at 300 bars and 716°F (380°C) consists of 5–10 molecules with a volume of only 27–33 cubic angstroms. These liquidlike clusters break up and reform continuously." -- Hydroplate Theory: Key Assumption, sidenote: 2, pp. 6

[ughaibu]

And where do you think the heat would go?

[Southtown]

The eruption would be super-accelerated by the 10k-fold expansion of the supercritical water through and past the earth's atmosphere where it, and any eroded debris, would cool in space.

Supercritical Fluids at PNNL

Within that near-absolute-zero environment the heat was created condensing the newly expanded water vapor back into liquid form. The initial ejecta was the most accelerated and achieved escape velocity, but some frozen ejecta rained back to earth forming the polar caps and generally cooling the later, less-accelerated phase of the eruption.

I intend to expand on all this with evidence, of course, and to illustrate how this model can solve real-world (and extra-world) mysteries.

[ughaibu]

1) The supercritical liquid loses it's heat almost instantly
2) The supercritical liquid loses it's heat above the Earth's atmosphere
3) All this supercritical liquid moves almost instantly from underground to outer space
4) Where's the flood water?
5) Where's the atmosphere? it too has been blown into space
Have fun with this, I'm happy enough talking rubbish but this isn't even interesting, as it's only justification appears to be an attempt to add respectability to the belief in the story of Noah, it is meta-silliness, and I've had enough.

[Southtown]

Originally Posted by ughaibu

1) The supercritical liquid loses it's heat almost instantly
2) The supercritical liquid loses it's heat above the Earth's atmosphere
3) All this supercritical liquid moves almost instantly from underground to outer space
4) Where's the flood water?
5) Where's the atmosphere? it too has been blown into space
Have fun with this, I'm happy enough talking rubbish but this isn't even interesting, as it's only justification appears to be an attempt to add respectability to the belief in the story of Noah, it is meta-silliness, and I've had enough.

I appreciate your contributions. They have proved very helpful in my examination of this theory. In case you misunderstand anything, I've tried to clarify some things below.

1) The SCW uses its heat to decompress back into a gas (as it's ejected super-sonically).

2) The gas creates heat condensing back into a liquid (above the earth's atmosphere).

3) Yep, li'l pressure involved.

4) Haven't got to that yet. Ejecta that didn't achieve escape velocity fell back to earth absolutely frozen, where it cooled the earth as the eruption slowed. The continental crust deflated so to speak (skipping ahead a little) and was submerged more from sinking than from flooding. The raining, frozen debris mixed with the latter erupting, hotter waters serving to moderate the overall temperature of the globe.

EDIT: And the flood water became our oceans as the continental crusts contracted, thickened and buckled.

5) No, gravity didn't all of a sudden disappear. The atmosphere was basically parted. And what atmosphere was lifted with the ejecta, soon became a part of it, and should be evident in meteor/asteroid/comet samples, as well as some soon-to-be-posted geographical features.

[ughaibu]

Naturally, Noah is quite unperturbed by the pressures involved.