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I have found a better way to char the acorns that I have in such abundance. I cut a 3 inch diameter pipe from the frame of an old swingset into 24 inch sections and plugged the bottom of each one by pushing it into the local clay (2 inches). This made a tube-like container which can then be filled with the acorns and stood in the trash can/burner along with other 1-3 inch branches. They charred nicely and did not pop out . I may try to cap one with clay in the next burn to stop flame from shooting out the top. They reduced in size by half, little charcoal balls to experiment with, maybe for hydroponics??
Mmmm... don't cap those pipes too tightly with clay!
Perhaps rather than charcoalize your acorns, you plant them and then distribute them in a re-treeing project? Is this a mast year for acorns where you are? Anecdotally, I have seen more acorns this year than in the past decade, and apparently California is having the same. (I never heard the masting laid to warm dry Aprils before? ) Oak trees produce mass amounts of acorns this year - Campus News
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Black said she's been getting a lot of phone calls lately with people concerned about acorns producing baby oak trees in their backyards as well.
People don't have too much to worry about since only about one in 10,000 acorns successfully germinates, she said.
The "one in 10,000" that will sprout happens many times over here. In fact they grow so thick as to be considered weeds! I sure would be pleased to share as many of my sprouters as possible...
Two oak trees got away from me in the hedgerow in my back yard and this was their year to bear fruit, about 20 gallons in addition to the 55 gallons from the front yard trees. In the front yard the land lays at 20-45% inclines and the acorns are so thick as to be dangerous. Three years ago I slipped while raking and tore ligaments in both knees. It's like walking on marbles. This picture is from the area right off the driveway... aieee!
Many of the acorns from last year are still there so I have decided to use them for my pet projects-Charcoal and gardening.
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Mmmm... don't cap those pipes too tightly with clay!
You are probably right about that...there are smaller holes drilled in the pipes and they too blazed like little torches. The plug would probably blow (or worse ) if they were to clog. It worked okay this way, best leave well enough alone...
I will be girdling the trees in the hedgerow in the spring for future charcoal and timber lengths for a cordwood tool shed I have planned. Also one of the trees in the front has a crack from hurricane storms 3 years ago, it will be coming down shortly so that will help with the acorns on the driveway.
Gerrit that sure is a nice kiln, wish I had a partner to help me fabricate something like that. My little direct fire set up will have to do for a while...
Last edited by palmtreepathos; 01-19-2008 at 06:30 PM.
Charcoal making
Traditionally, charcoal is made from forest wood cut into pieces and partially burnt. However, charcoal can be made from agricultural residues such as stems and twigs that would otherwise be left in the field and burnt away as waste. Some of the common crops whose stems are suitable for charcoal making are soyabean and red gram.
Any kind of wood can be used to make charcoal. However, if softwood is used, it will make soft charcoal and therefore burn more quickly. Also, the method used for softwood would not be applicable for hard wood as the latter is denser and tends to burn slowly.
As I remember, the Amazonian Indians used hardwood.
I wonder if this makes a diffence to TP?
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Gaiman & Prattchet.
This Fragile Earth - Photo Essays - TIME
Hazy Future
An Indonesian man burns coconut shells to make charcoal.
The government has announced a plan to rank cities based on air quality.
All that wasted energy and smoke.
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Gaiman & Prattchet.
Last edited by Michaelangelica; 03-27-2008 at 06:14 AM.
Does the board know how much excess energy is released in the exothermic reactions that make charcoal?
It seems to me that few kilns are catching the extra energy. Is this because there isn't much or if not, where can I find others that do for large scale production?
Does the board know how much excess energy is released in the exothermic carbonization/pyrolysis reactions that make charcoal?
It seems to me that few kilns are catching the extra energy. Is this because there isn't much or if not, where can I find others that do for large scale production?
Does the board know how much excess energy is released in the exothermic reactions that make charcoal?
It seems to me that few kilns are catching the extra energy. Is this because there isn't much or if not, where can I find others that do for large scale production?
Welcome aboard the board Tuna. There is plenty of heat energy to harness, but the aim seems primarily to produce the charcoal. We have discussed in other threads here, adding tubing around a stove and making steam or heating oil to use for generating electricity. I think a problem is that the charcoal stoves run intermittently, and so the cost of the additional equipment to capture the heat isn't justified.
My little coffee-can wood-gasifier charcoal retort stove can boil ~1 cup of water on one fueling.
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The article ends with a description of their traditional charcoal making process. I find it a little hard to imagine. what do you recon the "cone' is made from -clay, stones, bricks or trees?
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Although there is no longer a real charcoal factory in Sibu, I can still refer to a good charcoal factory in Kuala Sepetang, located in North Peninsular Malaysia, to relate how charcoal is made today. So read on.......
The mangrove forest around Kuala Sepetang is a vital factor for charcoal making in this part. The Chuah's charcoal factory has been in existence since the 1930's.
Mangrove trees which are over 30 years old are harvested, and new ones planted in order to replenish the supply. That area is not to be touched for another 30 years.
The trees are then transported with the high tide into the factory. Trees are then stripped off their bark and then sent to the igloo like cones where the baking process starts.
These cones are all handmade without any architecture drawing design. The master building simply builds them still "out of memory and experience".
A cone is used for around 15 years. Once the cone is finished, the logs are brought inside and heated. The process is in fact very simple and complicated at the same time.
It's all about the right temperature, so the process have to be monitored 24 hours a day.
The logs are standing up inside the cone on stone. Then the cone is almost closed apart of a small hole where a fire is burning. This fire heats up the cone and water will start to vaporise from the logs. Inside the cone there is now a temperature of 220°C.
The first stage of this process takes around 8 to 10 days. The log condition inside the cone is determined by the feel of the smoke that comes out of the holes of the cone. Mr. Chuah and his workers have such an experience that they can tell on the feel of the vaporised water how the condition of the log is.
After 10 days the cone is completely shut off and the baking process continues on a temperature of around 83°C. This takes another 12 to 14 days. Then the cooling process starts, this takes another 8 days before the hole in the cone is opened.
All the water is now vaporised out of the wood and the charcoal should look shiny black. The workers now get the charcoal out of the still hot cone and it is sorted, put in bags or transported in a whole log. Most of the charcoal of Mr. Chuah's factory is exported to Japan. A minor part is used in Malaysia.
Producing charcoal is a time consuming process. Most of the process is manually done. People in Kuala Sepetang, Matang and other small villages in the area have a living from the mangrove charcoal factory.
Note : More later when I can get hold more information on charcoal making.
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Last edited by Michaelangelica; 05-22-2008 at 08:03 PM.
...sent to the igloo like cones where the baking process starts.
Michael, I saw this the other day on BBC News. There was a video of officials breaking up the kilns (like smashing stills, back during Prohibition).
They look to be about 7-8 feet tall.
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Re: Making Charcoal 
don't cap those pipes too tightly with clay! 
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dare to be naive. ~ r. buckminster fuller 
) if they were to clog. It worked okay this way, best leave well enough alone...
There is plenty of heat energy to harness, but the aim seems primarily to produce the charcoal. We have discussed in other threads here, adding tubing around a stove and making steam or heating oil to use for generating electricity. I think a problem is that the charcoal stoves run intermittently, and so the cost of the additional equipment to capture the heat isn't justified. 
