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Re: Terra Preta

Michaelangelica:

That makes sense. When I started I had a couple of bags of mower mulched leaves that I put on top (we are talking a small plot of about 100 sq ft which I am in the process of more than doubling). I started turning them under and most of the leaves are gone now.

Am thinking about putting in a couple more bags of leaves. I know in the past I have found worms thriving on my concrete patio where leaves were allowed to accumulate during a period where I got lazy and did not bag or mulch the leaves.

So I know they are here. But I know I am not doing something right. I think the leaves on the patio must have been very easy for them to move around in. That is all I can figure.

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Wow! Wow! Wow!

Went to Lowe's this morning for the purpose of getting a big galvanized garbage can to make charcoal. Guess they don't make them anymore.

But while I was perusing the garden section, I came across "Cowboy Lump Charcoal."

Get this. An 8.5 lb bag for $4.95. So I bought four. This is really good stuff. Having made my own, I can certainly appreciate the quality of this charcoal. Better than I could do (or at least more consistent char throughout). You know you have bought the good stuff when it tinkles like a wind chime. With tax, less than $22. Probably couldn't get good fertilizer for that price.

Put all 35 lbs on my 100 sq. foot plot. Then I tore up the bags and made paper balls about 2" in diameter. Figured these balls would make good worm home bases. Easily pushed the paper balls under the ground (having turned it a number of times now) and turned under about 2/3 of the charcoal. Left the other 1/3 on top.

So we shall see.

Link to Cowboy Charcoal site:

wwwdotcowboycharcoaldotcom/

Figure it out since I can't post links yet.

Here's there phone number to find nearest location to you:

1-800-775-4060
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So I know they are here. But I know I am not doing something right. I think the leaves on the patio must have been very easy for them to move around in. That is all I can figure.
You would be amazed how much worms eat. MASSES of organic matter. Collect all the grass clippings and leaves from ALL your neighbours. They like kitchen scaps/peelings but don't like citrus

The only other thing I can suggest is that some animal manures especially horse, and I guess, cow and sheep kill worms.
Why? because the farmer worms their animals, and the Worming Mixture is passed out through the manure. Animal Worming Mixtures also kill earthworms.
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Michaelangelica: No manure of any kind.
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Go get some!

In cold weather worms don't do much (that I've noticed).
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Re: Terra Preta

Here is a 06 study by Duane Pendergast, that ties CO2 management all together , past and future, the roles of ocean, soils , biomass and man:


Energy, the carbon cycle and greenhouse gas management

Abstract

Knowledge of energy has allowed humans to flourish in numbers unimaginable to our ancestors. Some are concerned that emissions from the fossil fuels we use will lead to changing climate with possibly disastrous consequences.

Many propose that we improve the efficiency of energy use and conserve resources to lessen greenhouse gas emissions and avoid climate catastrophe. It is unlikely such initiatives will have a perceptible effect on atmospheric greenhouse gas content.

All life on earth depends on energy and the cycling of carbon. Humans have just recently learned how to recover fossil fuels and are recycling them by burning them in power plants, planes, trains, and automobiles, thus modifying the carbon cycle with additional greenhouse gas emissions.

We need to step back from micro management of greenhouse gas emissions to more fully appreciate human influence on the carbon cycle. Potential future human modifications to the cycle as means to manage atmospheric greenhouse gas are considered. It is suggested humans will need to ingeniously exploit even more energy to integrate its use with control of atmospheric greenhouse gases.

Keywords: greenhouse gas management, energy, carbon dioxide, carbon cycle, climate change, efficiency
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Re: Terra Preta

A copy of the email I just sent Cowboy Charcoal:

I just bought four bags of your Cowboy Charcoal. But not for barbecue. I bought it to make "terra preta".

What is terra preta you ask? Terra preta is Portuguese for dark earth. About ten per cent of the Amazon is very fertile (the terra preta) while the other 90% has some of the worst weathered soil on earth. It has been a scientific mystery. Why is a plot of terra preta some of the most fertile soil on earth, but less than ten feet from a terra preta plot, one finds some of the world's poorest soil? We now know why.

Scientists have recently discovered the secret to terra preta, a secret that was lost before the Spanish conquered the Amazon. The secret is charcoal.

Scientists believe the pre-Columbian aboriginal Amerindians used a slash and char technique rather than a slash and burn technique. Somehow, the slash and char technique was lost, probably due to the eradication of the people who knew the technique, by the spread of European diseases.

Scientists believe that the terra preta soils have been in existence now for a minimum of 500 years and many 2000 years or more. Some may be 6000 years old. The amazing thing is that terra preta can be farmed over and over without fertilizer and without depleting the soil. It is simply amazing what the addition of charcoal does to soil.

You can learn more about terra preta in this article of Nature:

Access to articles : Nature

If you cannot use this link because Nature requires you to have a subscription, (you might get to see it once or twice on a trial basis) you can read this article on terra preta instead:

Saving The Planet While Saving The Farm: How soil carbonization could save the planet while it makes farming profitable again

You can also look up terra preta on Wikipedia.

Whether you realize it or not, once people begin to understand the value of charcoal in their gardens, you will probably have a much bigger market in the gardening section of Lowe's than you will ever have in the barbecue section. And whether you realize it or not, you will have a much bigger impact on the planet.

Briquettes, which are coal based will not work. It takes real charcoal.

Some of the terra preta is six feet deep; on average it is about about a foot and a half , but by volume it is about 30% charcoal. That is a lot of charcoal for even a small garden. That is a huge market. My four bags barely made a dent in my 100 square foot plot. And we can't use slash and char techniques in the cities to make our own.

I have made my own charcoal. I know good charcoal when I see it and when I hear it -- it tinkles like wind chimes. Yours is very good charcoal. And I think it is perfect for terra preta.

Besides making an extremely fertile soil that does not need the continued addition of fertilizers, there is one more huge potential benefit to putting charcoal in the ground. It stores carbon for centuries. About 40% of the carbon in a piece of wood, if it is turned to charcoal, and put in the soil, will stay in the ground for centuries, probably for millenia before it breaks down. What that means, is that turning biomass to charcoal instead of burning it or letting it decompose, could be the first real solution to global warming.

Charcoaling biomass prevents as much as forty percent of the biomass turning into carbon dioxide; this in turn prevents the release of all that carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the cause of global warming. It is a win-win-win solution. Much better soil for crops, at a much lower cost (no cost of fertilizer after the initial start up), and reduces global warming CO2.

So please try your charcoal waste in your own gardens. Actually the waste is perfect, because the more pulverized the charcoal the better.

Maybe you can both educate the public by putting something about terra preta on your bags and at the same time market it for a dual purpose. Or put something about terra preta on your website or a link to terra preta.

I have as a personal goal to put one ton of charcoal in the ground before I die. If enough of us had that goal and achieved it, we might solve global warming and there might be bumper crops everywhere and maybe even the ability to use biomass for all our fuel needs.

While I would love to use your charcoal to barbecue with, it would be a waste to convert it to ash. Mine is in my garden where it will stay there for centuries. There will be many more bags to come. Maybe I will see something about terra preta on them soon.

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Re: Terra Preta

Here's a good article from solartoday:

http://www.solartoday.org/2006/nov_d...CornerND06.pdf

More and more people are catching on.
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Re: Terra Preta

david,

how are you pulverizing the charcoal?
I had already bought a bunch of cheap lump charcoal, but I am waiting to put it in the ground until I can think of a relatively efficient way to go about crushing it.

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ut I am waiting to put it in the ground until I can think of a relatively efficient way to go about crushing it.
I might suggest you find a metal drum or some sort of barrel, get it on a spinning mechanism (think rotisserie chicken), put in your charcoal along with several heavy square bricks and round stones... spin and repeat. Voila, coal dust...
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