Does God exist?

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

Could we consider another concept of God, besides the biblical one?

In the beginning was chaos. Then there came order. What is the force of this order? This is about math and physics. It is a serious question about how the universe came ordered and the force of this creation.

Totally random, it only looks like it has direction because we are here to think it. If the universe had formed with significantly different rules we wouldn't be here to complain about it. True the rules wouldn't have had to be much different but the idea is the same no matter how fine tuned the universe seems from our perspective.

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Totally random, it only looks like it has direction because we are here to think it.

The universe was never been in a state of totally Randomness. Chaos and order have always been in a fluctuating equilibrium with one another.

There is always an inherent seed of order in any system know matter how chaotic it my seem from an observer.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

The universe was never been in a state of totally Randomness. Chaos and order have always been in a fluctuating equilibrium with one another.

There is always an inherent seed of order in any system know matter how chaotic it my seem from an observer.

You missed my point T-bird, small fluctuations in order and randomness are not part of the beginning of the universe. What I was saying is the basis of why or why not. The strong anthromorphic principle and the weak anthromorphic principle. Either things are the way they are for us or they are the way they are in spite of us. Choose

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

You missed my point T-bird, small fluctuations in order and randomness are not part of the beginning of the universe. l:

No I'm not.... Order and randomness were both present at the beginning.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

No I'm not.... Order and randomness were both present at the beginning.

They don't figure into the point I was making T-bird

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

They don't figure into the point I was making T-bird

The question was how do you get order out of the chaos of the early universe.

Your point, from the best I can decipher, is that there was no order we just think there is. The question was not about the inevitability of us, but the inevitability of order. Bringing up Anthropomorphisms are not necessary when know one was asking about the inevitability of Man, just order.

[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

Could we consider another concept of God, besides the biblical one?

In the beginning was chaos. Then there came order. What is the force of this order? This is about math and physics. It is a serious question about how the universe came ordered and the force of this creation.

This question is about removing the anthromorphic veiw of a creative force.

You are missing the point Moontanman.

[goku]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Works for me! Ok, so I can't spell, I know what I am talking about, it's up to you to figure it out. That's seems to be Goku's attitude anyway. "confuse then divide"

well it must be working, cuz i'm
don't know what obsti... something means

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by goku

well it must be working, cuz i'm
don't know what obsti... something means

Improve your vocabulary, look it up, or is that one of the things you think is part of mans unholy ways?

[goku]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

So what does the obstifacation your tree bears say about you?

if you ment obstupefacation, i gues it means i'm stupid