[modest]

Originally Posted by goku

can science tell you what vanillia tastes like?
that's the problem with science, can't tell you what you really want to know.
chemistry can give you a better tasting vanillia, but you still have to taste it

The proof of the puddin's in the tastin'. Science can't tell you what god tastes like Mr. Goku. But, that's not really the subject of this thread. Look up. See?

Two different questions these are:

1. Is there such a substance-X?
2. What does this substance-X taste like?

You moved right past one and went to number two.

Originally Posted by goku

science has proven that life doesn't just start,

Prove it.

Originally Posted by goku

others say it can or did and that's their opinion. how can a man look at something and not have an opinion about it? who decides which opinion is correct?

Nobody... and certainly not science. It is not the job of science to go around proving things correct or incorrect. If a theory is useful and gives good results then science uses it - that's all. The theory of God has never been useful to science. It has never given any good results.

But, science is not close minded. If ever a theory of God does give useful results, science will eat it up like the oh so good puddin' of proof the rest of science is based on.

Originally Posted by goku

science has proven there is a great gulf between man and animal. but why?

Prove it.

~modest

[goku]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Science can tell you if something contains vanilla, you can't even tell me what vanilla tastes like why would you expect science to able to do that?



Not true goku science says life did just start, opinions are like as*@#& everyone has one and most of the time they stink. Science doesn't operate on opinions, it operates on evidence.



Another falsehood goku, science has shown there to no difference, humans are animals. We have very close relatives that are not human. You just like to beat dead horses don't you goku?

of course science operates on opinions, what do you think theories are?
just one little differance between humans and animals, off the top of my head, humans wear clothes.
and that is fact, humans wear clothes, fact
well, maybe some humans more than others

but i agree, the body is animal and oh so weird. how many hairless mamals are there?

and i can't tell you what vanillia tastes like, nor can i explain how it feels to know God and to know that when i die i will be with Him in heaven.

i can only say, from the bottom of my heart, that there is a God

now i will most likely be punished because i said "i know", and that beggs the question, what do you know?

[Moontanman]

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Originally Posted by goku

of course science operates on opinions, what do you think theories are?

Theories are hypothesis backed up by evidence, not opinions. a hypothesis might be an opinion but never a theory.

just one little differance between humans and animals, off the top of my head, humans wear clothes.
and that is fact, humans wear clothes, fact
well, maybe some humans more than others but i agree, the body is animal and oh so weird. how many hairless mamals are there?

Why are all of you bible bangers obsessed with nudity? Lots on mammals have no fur, whales come to mind, mole rats, elephants, hippos, rhinos, manatees, humans. Are you going to want to put clothes on all of these animals too?

and i can't tell you what vanillia tastes like, nor can i explain how it feels to know God and to know that when i die i will be with Him in heaven.

i can only say, from the bottom of my heart, that there is a God

now i will most likely be punished because i said "i know", and that beggs the question, what do you know?

I am happy for you goku, glad to hear you are so happy, ignorance is bliss it seems.

[goku]

[quote=Moontanman;234613]

Theories are hypothesis backed up by evidence,

and who looks at the evidence?
a person without an opinion?

[questor]

Goku, would you describe the God you believe in? Is there mass, or movement, or molecules, or human emotion? Where is he/she? Does he have helpers? What does he do with his time since the universe seems to be running well on its own?

[Moontanman]

[quote=goku;234616]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

and who looks at the evidence?
a person without an opinion?

No, a person who knows his opinions are meaningless. A person who looks dispatently at the evidence. A person who knows that belief changes nothing. In other words a scientist.

[modest]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

No, a person who knows his opinions are meaningless. A person who looks dispatently at the evidence. A person who knows that belief changes nothing. In other words a scientist.

Yup. I couldn't agree more.

Isn't the difference obvious goku? In your post above, you wear as a badge of honor the fact that you have no evidence for God yet believe anyway. You say that you "know" the truth, but have nothing but your own feeling to base that truth on. What MTM is saying is exactly the opposite of that--it is basing belief on evidence rather than personal feeling. It's the scientific method and it's the opposite of your feeling-with-no-proof claim.

These are obviously two fundamentally different approaches. I don't believe your approach is rational, goku. While it seems to be normal to human psychology, it also seems to be completely irrational.

~modest

[Moontanman]

Goku if you really want to understand science and the things science says and does you must get beyond what you want to be true, what you feel must be true, and what others who trust their feelings over reality tell you must be true. At one time everyone thought the earth was flat, it was common sense and the religions of the time backed up that feeling of rightness but science proved the Earth was a sphere. Feelings are not reality, reality is truth, anything less is just an assumption.

[Thunderbird]

[quote=Moontanman;234625]

Originally Posted by goku

No, a person who knows his opinions are meaningless. A person who looks dispatently at the evidence. A person who knows that belief changes nothing. In other words a scientist.

In the realm of science,... true, but outside those contraints of logic belief, or faith in certain human Potentialities of good unselfish acts can be powerfully creative, and inexplicable as a force of nature.

[questor]

Have any of you compared your arguments against the existence of God with your arguments in favor of the existence of alien space ships? I guess all human beings have their own unprovable myth to believe in.