[Majeston]

Moontan,

I think you have been off your meds for too long. It would seem to me that anyone who is in as much pain as you seem to be might be a little less arrogant with what you think you know. A little bit of spiritual solace might comfort such a broken body and chemically addicted mind. It may also help to give you a bit of patience in this McDonalds generation. You are not the only one who has experienced physical pain. I have generously and selflessly offered you some spiritual comfort and eternal enlightenment to which you have only responded with derision and ridicule. I happen to know of a place in Hawaii where you can have both spiritual enlightenment and relief from your daily pain as well as stimulating scientific and metaphysical discussion.
The Religion of Jesus Church - The Holy Herb

[Majeston]

Originally Posted by Caligastia

I realize I didn't choose the best UB name for my handle, but I've used it for years now so I'm used to it. And what's in a name? I'm sure there must be another personality out there somewhere with this name...someone who didn't betray their trust. Don't think I'm a fan of the Caligastia described in the UB - it's just a name.

Cal,

don't be so sure. How many Lucifer's or Judas's or Hitler's do you know?

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Majeston

Moontan,

I think you have been off your meds for too long. It would seem to me that anyone who is in as much pain as you seem to be might be a little less arrogant with what you think you know. A little bit of spiritual solace might comfort such a broken body and chemically addicted mind. It may also help to give you a bit of patience in this McDonalds generation. You are not the only one who has experienced physical pain. I have generously and selflessly offered you some spiritual comfort and eternal enlightenment to which you have only responded with derision and ridicule. I happen to know of a place in Hawaii where you can have both spiritual enlightenment and relief from your daily pain as well as stimulating scientific and metaphysical discussion.
The Religion of Jesus Church - The Holy Herb

Majeston, I will not be baited by the likes of you, you are the lowest common denominator of human evil. A person who has no real knowledge and must follow a mystic line of bull shit to make yourself feel intelligent. I gave ample you opportunity to give some evidence of your beliefs and you couldn't so you have to attack and insult me personally. If I was a moderator I would ban you for life, there is no excuse for a person to be as arrogant as you are about nothing but a book of lies and deceit. You cannot even give me the respect of of doing what you said you would/could do, instead attacking me personally is all you can do. You are such a sad example of a human being, I pity you.

[Majeston]

Moonman,
I have nothing more to give you, you will have to find what you seek from another source. I have done nothing to justify your mean, angry, irrational attacks. You need more than I have to give. Take care.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Majeston

Moonman,
I have nothing more to give you, you will have to find what you seek from another source. I have done nothing to justify your mean, angry, irrational attacks. You need more than I have to give. Take care.

You call me mean, angry, and irrational after you fail to offer any proof of the book of urantia other than quotes from the book of urantia even after I ask you several times not to do that and take the trouble to explain why? And then you attack me personally, insinuate I'm some sort of a drug crazed idiot and I'm mean, angry, and irrational? You have a strange view of the universe Mr Majeston, I don't think we live in the same universe at all.

[modest]

Majeston, Please note the rules for the theology forum, as well as the site rules.

This is a science website. People have approached you with scientific critiques and your response has consistently been to preach and proselytize your faith rather than debate the issue scientifically. This is clearly against the rules and something we do not tolerate. I suggest you reassess your tone and style if you are going to continue debating this issue.

~modest

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by Majeston

Thanks Moontan,
I am quite well aware of the elemental proportions which you cite as your "proof". They are incorrect. The spectral analysis and conclusions are incorrect.

Back it up and do so with science via the scientific method. Prove that spectral analysis of the sun is incorrect. Also understand, it is one of the rules here that you support such claims.

Originally Posted by Majeston

Moontan,

I think you have been off your meds for too long.

This type of personal attack is not going to be tolerated either.

[Majeston]

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Moontan,

I think you have been off your meds for too long. It would seem to me that anyone who is in as much pain as you seem to be might be a little less arrogant with what you think you know. A little bit of spiritual solace might comfort such a broken body and chemically addicted mind. It may also help to give you a bit of patience in this McDonalds generation. You are not the only one who has experienced physical pain. I have generously and selflessly offered you some spiritual comfort and eternal enlightenment to which you have only responded with derision and ridicule. I happen to know of a place in Hawaii where you can have both spiritual enlightenment and relief from your daily pain as well as stimulating scientific and metaphysical discussion.
The Religion of Jesus Church - The Holy Herb



Majeston, I will not be baited by the likes of you, you are the lowest common denominator of human evil. A person who has no real knowledge and must follow a mystic line of bull shit to make yourself feel intelligent. I gave ample you opportunity to give some evidence of your beliefs and you couldn't so you have to attack and insult me personally. If I was a moderator I would ban you for life, there is no excuse for a person to be as arrogant as you are about nothing but a book of lies and deceit. You cannot even give me the respect of of doing what you said you would/could do, instead attacking me personally is all you can do. You are such a sad example of a human being, I pity you.
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This was not a personal attack. This was an accurate observation and an offer for some spiritual comfort to someone obviously in great distress. Moontanman's response validates the observation.
If the idea here is to ban me because I support the Urantia revelation then just do it and stop making up all kinds of excuses and quoting laws and regulations; distorting meanings and taking things out of context.

[C1ay]

Originally Posted by Majeston

If the idea here is to ban me because I support the Urantia revelation then just do it and stop making up all kinds of excuses and quoting laws and regulations; distorting meanings and taking things out of context.

No, the idea here is that you back up your claims in a scientific fashion. This is a science forum and our rules are comprised accordingly. If you're going to make an absurd assertion that spectral analysis is flawed then you are going to support that claim and you are not going to use your Urantia book to do so. If you don't like our rules then go make your own forum and your own rules. If you want to play here then you are going to do so according to our rules. Capisci?

As for whether or not your remark was a personal attack or not is a metter of interpretation. You may not mean it as an attack but if it offends the one you're directing it at then it is. Moontanman made it clear that he took your remark as an attack and an insult and considering the curt manner in which it was made I can see why he would take it that way.

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by Majeston

In my lifetime these so-called theories have changed like the weather but The Upapers do not change and still has not one thing proven to be incorrect. QUite a feat in itself for something at least 75 years old now.

It is false that not one thing in the Urantia Book has proven incorrect.

Regarding its description of the planets, starting with the innermost planet, Mercury, the first incorrect description I find is in Paper 57, Section 6, line 2:

The planets nearest the sun were the first to have their revolutions slowed down by tidal friction. Such gravitational influences also contribute to the stabilization of planetary orbits while acting as a brake on the rate of planetary-axial revolution, causing a planet to revolve ever slower until axial revolution ceases, leaving one hemisphere of the planet always turned toward the sun or larger body, as is illustrated by the planet Mercury and by the moon, which always turns the same face toward Urantia.

This states that Mercury is tidally locked with the Sun, it’s period of rotation (its sidereal day) and revolution (its year) matching. However, according to many sources including the wikipedia article “Mercury (planet)”, observations of Mercury’s surface made in 1965 revealed its siderail day to be about 58.646 days vs. its long-observed year to be about 87.969, a ratio of 2:3.

This discrepancy is consistent with the hypothesis that the Urantia Book was written in the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s by people with good knowledge of (among other scientific disciplines) planetary astronomy. Due to their limited ability to observe surface features of Mercury, nearly all planetary astronomers of these decades expected Mercury’s day and year to match. Beings with observational knowledge of the solar system equal or better to planetary astronomers of the 1970s, however, would almost certainly have known of and reported Mercury’s remarkable and unexpected 3:2 year:day ratio.