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Re: The New Atheists; The Cult of Science?

Well, it seems that Shintoism complies well enough but I know that Taoism, Animism and Buddhism are considered religions. By the grounds on which you argue they aren't, you end up in circularity: Any religion is purple because something that isn't purple isn't a religion, by definition.

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1) Salvation through learning the true nature of reality
2) A way to higher being is inside all of us, and a way to that being is though the balance of good and bad
3) They do actively recruit
Perhaps some variants do recruit in some places but certainly not the way it's a tenet of Christianity for instance. I'm not sure what you mean by "higher being" but I know Buddhism does not claim existence of any god(s) and even scorns such practices. It teaches reincarnation rather than salvation of the soul and enlightenment isn't what I'd call salvation. At that rate we might as well argue about whether the same goes for science, even; I don't see the point of it. We could of course discuss whether the same goes for Scientology.

I certainly agree that Animism is not one single body. Heck, neither are Christianity and Islam, there are even variants of Judaism. I think Animism is a collective term for creeds in different continents, even having quite unrelated origins. Christianity is perhaps even more fractious by the time you go from the Orthodox and Catholic churches to the Witnesses, Mormons and whatnot. Animism is definitely a kind religious belief.

In any case, aside from what we mean by what words, the only common ground one can identify religions with is a belief in something spiritual and making it an important aspect of one's life.


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Most definitions of religion include some belief in a higher power or deity of some kind. In at least one legal case the U.S. Supreme Court even labeled Secular Humanism as a religion for purposes of protecting one's right to exercise their religion even though "secular" and "religious" are opposing concepts....


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The original definition has more to do with reverence: great and frequent (or constant) care and attention devoted to something held as sacred or worthy of veneration. This may include something higher, a divinity, a cause, it can even be family or nation. This is how most etymologists interpret the Latin religione as supposedly from a verb relìgere; some of them instead link it to re-ligàre: tie together, form a community of people by sharing a cult and rule; from which people are said to "enter in religion" if they join a monastic order.


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hey guys lets meet in "What is religion?" thread to discuss this

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