[Zythryn]

I read the statistics. The statistic, as I recall is for those that died as a result of errors/complications. This included incorrect doses, wrong type of drug, allergies to drugs, etc.
I forget the 'rates' of deaths, Mike perhaps you have that information as well? How many people are saved each year due to the same medications and hospital treatments?

[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

I read the statistics. The statistic, as I recall is for those that died as a result of errors/complications....

Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I just wanted to make sure.

[EDIT] The story of how the early FDA wound up providing "protection" for homeopathic and herbal treatments is a LOT more complicated than I ever knew. The roll of Senator (D-NY) & Homeopathic physician, Royal Copeland, is also steeped in complications and uncertainty. Here is the whole story.

Good luck.

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by Pyrotex

More anecdotes.

What about the people with terminal illnesses who "took their lives in their own hands" and did the herbals, and the vitamins and the vegan diets -- and DIED! Do you have information on those numbers?

I didn't think so.

Your statement about AMA=monopoly is not quite correct. In the early years of the Twentieth Century, a US Congressman passed a bill specifically excluding homeopathic, "natural", and "food supplement" medicines from scrutiny by the newly founded Food and Drug Administration (FDA). I'll see if I can find his name.

So, in a sense, it is the "homeonat" medicines that have a "monopoly". They can sell whatever they want, and say anything they want, and the AMA cannot (BY LAW) stop them.

I'm not going to be swayed by anecdotes. There is no way to even vouchsafe that those stories have not been imbellished to some extent, since they were not observed and monitored under controlled conditions.

The Congessman you speak of is the Senator from Utah, I think.

The FDA waged war on doctors dispencing Natursal substances.
One of the original doctors was Johnathan Wright.
The FDA invaded his office with guns drawn and seized all his records and other equipment. I think this is why that law was passed outlawing this kind of enforcement. This is from news items I have read on occasion.

All the advanced research in medicine has proven that diseases are caused by difficiencies in vitamins and minerals. Examples :

Scurvy - Vitamin C deficiency.
Goiter - Iodine dif.
Blindness - Vitamin A dif.
Spinal Bifidia - Vitamin B5 dif.

And there are others, I am sure.

Can you name a disease that is caused by a drug difficiency? Ha ha.

Incidentally, another item in the JAMA says that 50% of the operations are unnecassary.

Mike C



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[Pyrotex]

Originally Posted by Mike C

...All the advanced research in medicine has proven that diseases are caused by difficiencies in vitamins and minerals. Examples :

Scurvy - Vitamin C deficiency.
Goiter - Iodine dif.
Blindness - Vitamin A dif.
Spinal Bifidia - Vitamin B5 dif.

Can you name a disease that is caused by a drug difficiency?...

Your first statement is wrong. Painfully wrong. So far wrong, it's not even in the "ballpark" of ordinary, every-day wrong. Most diseases are caused by:

INFECTIONS BY MICRO-ORGANISMS.

Blindness has MANY causes, including infections.

We now know that many other diseases are caused by (or enabled by) genetic factors -- errors in our DNA.

At least one type of Diabetes is caused by difficiency of Insulin. Insulin is the drug used to treat that type of Diabetes. Therefore, one could say the disease is caused by a drug difficiency. But a better answer is this: Your question is irrational. No one is claiming that diseases are caused by drug difficiencies. You're being silly.

[Mike C]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

I read the statistics. The statistic, as I recall is for those that died as a result of errors/complications. This included incorrect doses, wrong type of drug, allergies to drugs, etc.
I forget the 'rates' of deaths, Mike perhaps you have that information as well? How many people are saved each year due to the same medications and hospital treatments?

The Naturopathic doctors (they are doctors although some are educated in their own Universities) are the sources of most of my posts . They do examine the researches done in natural substances. So their knowledge is based on scientific researches.
Their own results with patients is also used as proofs of the natural treatments.

Those examples you cite above would probably include some errors of dispensing but that only proives that drugs are dangerous .

Ever hear of anyone dying of vitamin or mineral overdoses?
Extremely excessive overdoses can kill some people but I mean doses of 10x over the recommended amounts .
This rarely happens and I mean rarely.

Mike C

[Dr. Nancy Malik]

Nature is there for helping man. We need to befriend nature.

Mostly (not always) natural products are healthier than synthetic drugs because of better absorbtion by the body.

We have varied systems of medicine running parallely. Conventional medicine is the leader of all. But that does not mean it is the end of medicine. The mojor (not the only one) reason why people are shifting away from conventional medicine in the last decade is that they are fed up with the side effects it. The side effects is mainly due to high materialc dose which silently tortures the body, and if the body is weak it succumbs.

Prescription drugs causing death
JAMA -- Abstract: Incidence of Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients: A Meta-analysis of Prospective Studies, April 15, 1998, Lazarou et al. 279 (15): 1200
Death by Modern Medicine a book written by Dr. Carolyn Dean MD ND with Trueman Tuck,
The medicines that could kill millions - health - 08 September 2006 - New Scientist
I'm From the Government I'm Here to Help » Death by Doctor
Access : Adverse drug reactions a big killer : Nature News

The conventional system of medicne has to answer why there are so many deaths due to its medicine?

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Dr. Nancy Malik

The conventional system of medicne has to answer why there are so many deaths due to its medicine?

And the deaths must also be viewed in the context of how many lives it saves. If there are 1,000 deaths a year, that may sound like a lot. However, if it saves 1,000,000 people per year, you realize that the benefit FAR outweighs the cost.

Percentage. It's a powerful tool!

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Mike C

Are all those drugs prescribed by the approved US healthcare system natural substances?
The JAMA quote of the dangers of drugs is a well kept secret while the 'Ephedra' (herb) scare of its dangers was a major news item.

As far as the Vanadyl Sulphate, I am sure the doctor would know about its dangers.
Even some vitamins and minerals in very high doses will cause some side effects.

Mike C

Mike why would someone want to go through all the steps you have mentioned when a simple safe injection of insulin will do the job absolutely, quickly and little time or energy lost? Insulin is as natural as the things you have suggested. It makes no sense at all. If you get type one diabetes I suggest you do not use insulin, nothing like following your own advice. natural is not necessarily better, natural can be very bad, most medicine is based on natural substances in one way or another. Just claiming natural is often used as a way to show something is better than something else. this is simply not true and this hype can be dangerous.

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by Mike C

Those tools are 'hands' that are not designed to kill and eat meat.
These tools are designed to eat fruit and vegetation.
Mike C

Mike can you give any evidence that hands are not meant to kill and eat meat? IMO your ideas and opinions are dangerous and contribute nothing but confusion. Far to often people state their opinions as though they are the word of god. Out of all the stuff you claim you have offered no evidence to back it up at all yet you keep making claims that if followed would endanger peoples health. Back up your claims with something other than more claims or quit making them.