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I do not know where to start. In the Beginning their was a big bang can we all agree with this. So who or what causes it. You can go either way with this depending on your belief so for me I think I will go with the big Guy started it all so if I am right then I have the Big Guy on my side. If not then what the Hell I still not that far off I still believe in the Big Bang and that is where everything started. It is hard for me not to believe their is something started this off. Their is a lot in this Universe that we can not explain but their are a lot of religion that takes the Bible to literally that is where most people get turn off to Religion and I can not blame them it really make them look so stupid but we just need to pray for them OK I have said enough.
Dan
I do not know where to start. In the Beginning their was a big bang can we all agree with this. So who or what causes it. You can go either way with this depending on your belief so for me I think I will go with the big Guy started it all so if I am right then I have the Big Guy on my side. If not then what the Hell I still not that far off I still believe in the Big Bang and that is where everything started. It is hard for me not to believe their is something started this off. Their is a lot in this Universe that we can not explain but their are a lot of religion that takes the Bible to literally that is where most people get turn off to Religion and I can not blame them it really make them look so stupid but we just need to pray for them OK I have said enough.
Dan
Personally I think the BB is BS but lets assume it to be true and then you assume God made it happen but that only leaves the question of who created god, then who created that god and so on to infinity. God cannot be brought into a scientific theory. God exists on belief, the BB theory is based on evidence, more evidence might show the BB to a misinterpretation of the evidence but God cannot be tested or in in any way found to be true or false on any evidence. So god is outside of science.
Michael you ask who make God? I think God has all ways been it just asking what was it before the Big Bang nobody knows. So it is just as easy to believe in God he cause the Big Bang somebody had to strike the match.
Dan
Michael you ask who make God? I think God has all ways been it just asking what was it before the Big Bang nobody knows. So it is just as easy to believe in God he cause the Big Bang somebody had to strike the match.
Dan
You don't understand what I am saying, if you insist on putting god into science then you have to ask the question, where did god come from. Simply saying god made the BB isn't enough. God is not part of science, religion is not part of science. Belief is not part of science, this is a good thing. God doesn't tell us how to create technology, science doesn't tell us how to behave. Every time religion has tried to define science religion has taken a hit and had to retreat. When science tries to define religion it ceases to be science. I see no purpose in trying to define science with religion, any more than I see any reason to define religion with science.
The whole purpose of Science is to discover (as best we can) a NATURAL explanation for all the phenomena we observe. Not just some explanation or any explanation, but a NATURAL explanation, that is fully compatible with other known and trusted explanations.
God is not a natural phenomenon. Yeah, that's going to provoke some ire, but it's true. God is by definition (it says here in the scripture) "above" natural laws, "apart from" natural laws, not subject to natural laws. So, God cannot be called upon as a NATURAL explanation for anything. As soon as you try, it isn't Science -- it's just religion.
Rather than assume that God has been around forever, why not assume the Cosmos has been around forever? It's easier and simpler, makes more sense, and is no more far fetched. The Cosmos (which may have contained countless universes like ours) doesn't have to be all-knowing, all-seeing, or even alive in any sense of the word. So, it requires fewer assumptions.
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Why is it hard to believe God and Science is one of the same. God has giving you the knowledge and know how to make your decision about Science. It is not that hard to believe in a higher being or spirit who started it all. If you can believe we came from a one cell or what ever and now we are going into outer space and beyond It is not hard to believe we came from a higher being. What have you got to lose in believing in God if you are wrong you really have not lost a thing but if I am right you have gain eternity.
You're right. It's not hard. It's completely irrational and illogical.
Adding some ethereal purple unicorn adds NOTHING to our knowledge, in fact, it stands directly in the face of further pursuit.
"Yep, that's enough for me. God did it. Now, let's go tell some homos that they're going to hell."
Positing some supernatural creator literally brings NOTHING to the table of understanding, and also suffers from the very problem we are seeking to resolve. When answering "where did it come from," god is not satisfactory since you must then ask "where did god come from" and then "where did THAT come from" until you get into this reductio ad absurdem. Also, Pascal's wager is not enough, because it's very clear what we lose as a society when people start arguing over who has the better imaginary friend.
You can believe that a purple unicorn shat everything into existence if you're so inclined, but please don't try to tell me that this doesn't fly directly in the face of the scientific method and the critically thinking mind.
Why is it hard to believe God and Science is one of the same. God has giving you the knowledge and know how to make your decision about Science. It is not that hard to believe in a higher being or spirit who started it all. If you can believe we came from a one cell or what ever and now we are going into outer space and beyond It is not hard to believe we came from a higher being. What have you got to lose in believing in God if you are wrong you really have not lost a thing but if I am right you have gain eternity.
First, belief has nothing to do with real science but it has everything to do with religion. Science and religion do not necessarily keep a person from from being a part of both. But religion doesn't not define or tell us anything about science. Nor does science define or tell us anything about religion. You have nothing to lose with either or both as long as you don't try to explain one with the other.
What have you got to lose in believing in God if you are wrong you really have not lost a thing but if I am right you have gain eternity.
What kind of God is it that can't detect the disingenuousness and selfishness of belief simply for the sake of eternal preservation?
What kind of God of love punishes his children with eternal misery simply for lacking faith, particularly in a world where the perveyors of the faith are so often revealed as hypocritical shysters?
What does believing evolution based on the preponderence of evidence supporting it have to do with God? Because it contradicts the Bible? Any inquisitive analysis of the shear magnitude and majesty of the universe as revealed through scientific research should lead to an understanding that religious scriptures are simplistic by comparison, inadequate in detail, vague and subjective, and unworthy of any true God....
....if there is one.
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This is my final note on this for a while the way most people believe is God or Science but I believe in both. Take God and the Bible I do not take the bible literally man wrote it with a Little help from God. Man has wrote our Science book with no help from God or maybe a little help. these hard nose Science people is like the holly rollers they can only see their side.No I do not believe god controls people he just let it happen most of the time because of free wheel. He know people would have to have a explanation in how thing started because we all have ask the questions Where,When,and Why? God knows we will try an find the answer to these questions but that is where Faith come in.If you have no Faith their is no way you can believe God because this is what it is all about. All I have to say is I Will Pray For You All. God Bless You
Dan
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Re: Y or N? Do you believe in Evolution? Why? 
Any inquisitive analysis of the shear magnitude and majesty of the universe as revealed through scientific research should lead to an understanding that religious scriptures are simplistic by comparison, inadequate in detail, vague and subjective, and unworthy of any true God....
Final why I believe in God and Science as one 
